As a plus they're talking about SARS-CoV, which isn't even the virus that is causing the ongoing pandemic (SARS-CoV was defeated in 2005), SARS-CoV-2 is another beast.
@JT123 Do you even know what you're talking about, or? SARS-CoV is the old 2004-2005 "SARS" virus. SARS-CoV-2 (2019-ongoing) is the one causing "Covid-19". The stuff you linked refers to the former, not the latter. 🤦♂️
@JT123 Not at all, they're different beasts. SARS-CoV(1) wasn't spread by asymptomatic people, for instance, in fact isolating the sick was all what was needed to stop it. Look how many cases of SARS there have been and compare it with SARS-CoV-2 numbers.
@JT123 I don't give a damn about Trump, or American politics in general, and Fauci just like any other medical adviser is simply repeating exactly what the international scientific/medic community is finding out day by day.
Here where I live HCQ was being used since February (when Trump and relative supporters probably didn't even know it existed) and up to May 26th (*1), there have been exactly 32,877 covid-19 deaths at May 25th (*2) when it was used in both homes and hospitals for [b]3 months[/b], and only 2,255 after it got replaced by better treatment (*3).
[quote] I know exactly what I'm talking about,[/quote]
I think perhaps you need a little bit more information before you make up your mind. This novel strain of SARS corona virus is distinct from ones we've encountered in the past. So far the evidence (while patchy) seems to indicate that chloroquine or at least hydroxychloroquine is likely ineffective and possibly detrimental, much less a "wonder drug". So let's dial back the righteous indignation and stick to the facts.
[quote]One of the world's largest studies - the Recovery trial run by Oxford University - has involved 11,000 patients with coronavirus in hospitals across the UK and included testing hydroxychloroquine's effectiveness against the disease, along with other potential treatments.
[b]It concluded that "there is no beneficial effect of hydroxychloroquine[/b] in patients hospitalised with Covid-19" and the drug has now been pulled from the trial.[/quote]
https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731
[quote]• There is insufficient evidence that chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine will prevent or treat COVID-19 • Preliminary analysis of the largest data to date shows that treatment with hydroxychloroquine has no significant effect on disease morbidity or mortality1 • Use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 patients may be associated with significant adverse effects • Use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 should be restricted to use in clinical trials until more data are available [/quote]
@JT123 I wouldn't say it's been handled badly over here - actually it was at very first (February), the lockdown and above all aggressive testing should've happened sooner if you ask me, like South Korea and Taiwan did, rather than listening to the WHO. But the U.S. and Brazil response to the emergency has been and still is objectively worse, considering also you guys have been hit a few weeks after us and you saw what was happening here.
And hey, both our countries constitutionally defend free speech, which is exactly what I'm exercising here. No need for gatekeeping. The ongoing situation is pandemic, the wrongdoing of a single leader/country can potentially have consequences on all the others. China messed up at first, now the U.S. and Brazil looking at the stats and anti-scientific positions of the respective leaders are doing exactly the same.
@Elessar Contrary to what the news media has said, 95% of our state governors have praised Trump on his response to getting them what they need to fight this virus. That is a fact! Believe it or not, It's a 100% fact that the lying media will not report!
@JT123 As I said, I don't care about politics nor the media. I look at academic sources directly and the numbers, at the present the situation of the U.S. and Brazil are both completely out of control, with over 1000 deaths/day in both countries when even here we have less than 5.
And objectively, someone who said the virus would disappear in April (but it's still here), or that it was a democratic hoax, or that (passively?) supported people who rioted against the lockdown, or even that proposed injecting disinfectants and UV light in alive people, or who now listens to an "adviser" than believes in demonic sperm or alien DNA, personally, doesn't inspire me much trust nor shows competence.
@Elessar Well let me tell you something about numbers. These states, Florida was the first put out 10's of thousands of false numbers during July. They reported in several facilities 100% positive test results which turned out to actually be 9%, 14%, etc. Also My friends who live in these states aren't seeing what the news reports! Don't believe everything America's News media reports. I can write down a sheet of lies daily on several subjects!
@JT123 I too have stopped following media coverage about the pandemic in general, and I'm looking mostly at raw data and academic publications, or at most the associated press.
I have friends in the U.S. as well, and I've reason to believe the hospitalization rate and death rate calculated over here through the previous month are pretty accurate and not too diverse than the rest of the world: healthcares here are managed region by region (think of them as "states"), they're no longer overburdened and so we're finding potentially a lot of asymptomatic cases now (lowering the initially higher rates) and above all, different regions administrated by opposite parties are reporting similar figures. The biggest problem about U.S. data in my opinion is that it's not sufficiently detailed: I can't find a partition of cases by age and severity for instance, nor your hospital load, all data that here luckily are collected and published.
About the "mislabeling deaths", similar concerns were raised over here: do people die with the virus or because of the virus? Unfortunately without those data, it's difficult to tell. Over here though it turned out that even if most of those who died had [i]preconditions[/i], such preconditions are most frequently and in this order: hypertension, diabetes and/or myocardial infarction - which normally don't take thousands of people in the 50-70 age range out all of a sudden, within a few months. I don't have reason to believe the virus is less lethal there than it was here.
@JT123 There were two clerical issues in Florida resulting in incorrect numbers, and those have been accounted for. ICUs everywhere here are at capacity. Hospitalizations far exceed the numbers of tests and tests aren't anywhere NEAR as available as they'd have you believe. We are doing our level best down here to ensure the spread and infection of as much virus as possible and we're getting ready to really ramp it up for the school year.
Before you start talking about hoaxes and lies, you really ought to come inspect the matter for yourself. Otherwise you end up looking like a pompous and ignorant horse's ass to 20 million people.
@Elessar As of 7/6 and we have gorwn exponentially more crowded: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/44-florida-hospitals-at-icu-capacity.html
July 6 https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/48-florida-hospitals-at-icu-capacity.html
