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I'm so fed up with the Toires after 10 years in power and some of them are moaning that things havent been done.............. well who's to blame, you guys have been the government for 10 years and you havent done anything to sort out any of the problems.

So my question is if you were PM what would you do to make the UK better or change any poliy lie zero hour contracts!!!

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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M

I think it would help if he actually came out and said the last ten years has to be seen as something of an economic, Conservative party led failure.

I know Cameron and May will say they did what they could at the time, but ALL policy decisions waived on the side of caution for the few rather than belief or optimism for the many.
And like it or not, any elected government has to be able to look after BOTH !

He also has to kick employers. HARD ! NOW !
For more than ten years now they have been allowed to set rates of pay and wage increases far below what they should have been and we NOW have WORKING POOR as a result !
Which is a nonsense !

And he knows it !

The design of the Universal Credit ACTIVELY encourages NUTRITIONAL STARVATION for it's claiments !
And THAT is unacceptable by [u]ANY[/u] standard and needs to stop NOW ! The very idea that ANYONE thought this 'good fiscal policy' needs to see that person strung-up !

The very fact you have foodbanks operating is testament to the shocking way Conservatism has killed the UK over the last ten years.
And Labour need the kicking of a LIFETIME for allowing yet ANOTHER extended period of Tory rule because, once again, they filled their party with frontbenchers who would have been better yelling obscenities at a football match rather than being entrusted to create ACTUAL POLICY PEOPLE COULD SUPPORT !

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milkymum1 · 31-35, F

@SW-User honestly it doesn't take a rocket science to see it will lead to a labour shortage, how EU migrents can be blamed for wages being pushed down is completly unbeleivable, yet again its the tory party not enfoceing the minimum wgae, just look at Sports Direct a millionaire who pays under the minimum wage and what have the government done........... nothing.

Platinum · M

I'll give you an example how they push wages down and steal work....for years we worked in an office block in sidcup Kent , there was 14 floors and for years the same people from different trades worked there to refurbish the building. Probably eight different trades...each time we came back to work there, one trade had been replaced by polish workers...the next time one less British firm was replaced by polish workers...and so on until we were the only English company left working there and then we were told to halve our prices if we wanted to carry on working there...we walked off after ten years....and they sacked all the cleaners and replaced them by with polish women.....and that is happening all he time..@milkymum1

Nyloncapes · 61-69, M

@Platinum I know exactly what you mean I have been on many building sites all round London scaffolding, and English getting replaced by immigrants as they are much cheaper per day work, the people who say it is not down to immigrants need to get out in the real world and visit these places, that is why the hospitality industry wants immigrants as they are cheap labour go into any restaurants, and other places, same as the farmers cheap labour

ArthurP · 80-89, M

It's arguable that all Britsh governments since the Thatcher years have achieved very little in their time in office, at best being reactive to situations rather than proactive. And almost invariably, where action has been taken, the law of unintended consequences has kicked in.

But these responses remind me of that glorious line about "What a shame that everyone who really knows how to run the country are working as hairdressers and taxi drivers"

No reflection on hairdressers and taxi drivers - it applies to most of us. Why don't politicians do what we see as the bleeding' obvious.

But comments here all believe in the magic money tree. And considering the UK national debt is 1.8 TRILLION pounds, and after 10 years of so-called austerity, the annual defat in 2019 was still near 26 billion pounds, sorry guys, you are even now vastly living beyond your means.

So, no, forcing employers to up wages is a pure prescription for bankruptcy without at least the equivalent increase in productivity. Increase minimum wages causes loss of jobs.

The NHS is struggling because of sclerotic management and the ludicrous idea that all services should be free at point of use. Even a token 5 quid per GP visit would halve the demand, probably even more. Free prescriptions to all pensioners? Rubbish when a huge proportion of British retirees are sitting on very comfortable income and assets.

And as for emotional crap like "nutritional starvation". Please.

Find the magic money tree, and suddenly we will all have utopia. Until them we have to put up with politicians who, when faced with the cruel realities of the world, talk big, and deliver small.

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Thinkerbell · 41-45, F

@fairefoutre

[quote]We call the BBC te Anglosaxophone[/quote]
[i]
There once was a Scot from the hills,
Who derided the BBC shills:
"They're the AULD Anglosaxophone
Whose broadcasting packs a tone
Of fabric from Westminster mills."[/i]

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Thinkerbell · 41-45, F

@fairefoutre

Of course, not bad; that goes without saying. 🤭

SW-User

I'd nationalise infrastructure like gas and power generation distribution & supply. Years after the privatisation the government had to force a price cap if it was just owned by the state we could simply control the price. Water is obviously nuts as I have one supplier it is a monopoly so the competition makes it better argument sucks.

Free university education. 75% of current student loans are expected to be written off and the burden fall on the exchequer seems a stupid complicated system. Now student debt has to be included in the national debt for the government as a result so its all dumb. Have a graduate tax of say 1p additionally once over £25k earnings.

Also a flat rate tax we all pay 25% on all income above a base allowance no extra allowances exclusions etc whether earned or not you pay tax on it. I'm confident you'd increase the tax yield and overnight stop all the tax avoidance nonsense.

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milkymum1 · 31-35, F

@Picklebobble2 Doesn't mean its right, I mean people have voted to be worse off still.

Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M

@milkymum1 total mystery to me how the majority thought Johnson’s ideas were so much better when they both involved either spending what we didn't have or returning to the ideas of the 70’s.
Without an effective opposition it gives the government too much autonomy without being scrutinised effectively.

milkymum1 · 31-35, F

@Picklebobble2 yes all it was promise this promise that spend here spend there but spending the same money, just like the 350M for the NHS!!!!!

all what will happen is this topry party will spend and the eccomney will crash because once the money we have got now is gone we will have to borrow again and more.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

I'm a labour party member and feel bad that we fought such a poor election.

This is what people voted for though. Affluent people want lower taxes and don't care about others. Brexit voters wanted Brexit above all else and think it will make their lives better.

milkymum1 · 31-35, F

@Burnley123 I was shocked that the Tories got back in after 10 years of austerity, pain and hurt and some how normal people voted for the same, the tell tail has already been shwon by how little BJ and co have done for flod victiums and the UK nationals on the liner in Japan.

InOtterWords · F

Tidy up the NHS. It is about to collapse and people continue to abuse it. The failings of the underfunding are being blamed on overworked doctors and nurses.

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Platinum · M

If you are a footballer you can get a million a month, that's life.....if you are a couple you get £497 per month and you can work and you can get your rent paid.....I'm not saying it's ideal but the best thing is to learn a trade and work hard.....@SW-User

SW-User

@Platinum no the rent is inside the payment that was one of the changes to universal credit there is no additional rent payments.
£497 is still too low. Esp where I live you can't rent a room at that rate.

I can't disagree that work should pay but if someone is in a bad place they need help you can't consider getting a trade etc if you can't live it's basic Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

Platinum · M

When I googled it, it read that you can claim rent on top and still work ...life ain't fair, but some of these people put themselves in the position through being lazy....I always worked hard and if I was unemployed I did everything possible to find work and never stopped looking until I found some...perhaps things will change @SW-User

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Platinum · M

@milkymum1 everything you have just said is wrong....but I won't argue with you, you shall have to wait and see.....if you don't understand why austerity was brought in, it will be impossible to explain anything else to do with politics ...thanks for the chat..

milkymum1 · 31-35, F

@Platinum Wow a typical male chauvanist, the cut backs have been too deep, end of. just look at allt he problems borught on by austerity!!!!!!! if you think austerity is good go and visit people who have suffered because of it!!!!

you sound like a typical tory voter as long a sim ok then fuck the rest.

Boris has been part of the problem of all the problems we currently have and if you can't see that then i can fully udnerstand why the UK is in all the problems its in!!

Platinum · M

I could insult you but I won't , I'll leave the insults to you....what problems are we in...explain what Boris has done wrong and the country is having problems....try to refrain from insults @milkymum1

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Platinum · M

You are a small weak little country and if we let you get independence you will see how the eu treats you.....it will be fun watching you sink into oblivion ....I feel sorry for the nice scots and there are many...but not rabble like you...@fairefoutre

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Platinum · M

😂@fairefoutre

Peppa · 31-35, F

I'm sick of it too. But right now I have nothing to input. We knew this would happen if they came in and people voted for them again.

CheshireCatalyst · 36-40, M

Stop the stealth eugenics programme concealed within the benefits system.

SW-User

@CheshireCatalyst stealth? I thought every one recognised it. I was surprised Andrew Sabisky was forced out when he was just honestly saying that government had a eugenics agenda.

CheshireCatalyst · 36-40, M

@SW-User he'll be rehired again as soon as the furore dies down. They only sacked him because he said the quiet part out loud.

The funny thing is I posted this before any of the news about him broke.

Rhodesianman · 56-60, M

I am more worried about the leadership election for labour .The only one that I hope makes it is young Nandy cant remember her first name .The other 2 are still supporting corbynism which will be the death of labour .

milkymum1 · 31-35, F

@Rhodesianman The leadership is interesting as the Labour party need someone who can put up good arguments to boris and not been brow beaten, from what i saw Starnner would be better, just imagie a knight of the relm as opperstition leader facing the ignorent boris!!!!

Rhodesianman · 56-60, M

@milkymum1 Yes but he was very close to Corbyn which is very worrying .We do not want another Corbyn .We want someone who cant think for themselves and not be a puppet for the unions .

milkymum1 · 31-35, F

@Rhodesianman ell to be fair he was the right person to be the shadow brexit secutery.

I do think he's different to JC but ALL Labour leaders in some way will be puppets for the unions.

Platinum · M

At the moment I would give BJ a chance to see what he does ....I don't agree with spending over 100 billion on HS2 , it will end up costing even more and take longer and all we are getting is a cut of ten minutes on a journey from London to Birmingham ...they could spend the money improving the existing railway...

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Platinum · M

They are on a win win ....I'm pleased I don't ever use trains now...@milkymum1

milkymum1 · 31-35, F

@Platinum Trains near me are bad, we didn't get rid of the slam door trians until 1999!!!!!! now the tain compnay has bought old London trains and they are just as bad, also some lines were closed in the 1980s and built on or now used as bike routes so I have no idea how the transport secutery will get these old lines up and running again!!!!

What people have failed in is for 40 years 29 of those were tory governments and if we are in this amount of trouble why have we just voted for the same again??

Platinum · M

Governments change and so do PM s ...every government whatever side makes huge mistakes...but when a new PM starts, we should give him a chance....it's not fair to compere him to predecessors ....if you had got Corbyn the country would be bankrupt by now.....@milkymum1

alan20 · M

It would hit my own standard of living but I'd tell my own fellow-countrymen to leave the UK.

Platinum · M

Can you explain that in more detail...@alan20

alan20 · M

@Platinum N.I. costs the U.K. money. There used to be an argument that it had strategic military value for Britain but I cannot see much mileage in that these days. The DUP are loyal in name only; i.e. they want a Protestant state, not - as they see it - one ruled mainly by Catholics. Their fundamentalist views are no longer shared by many English people, and in any case the Irish Republic is no longer under the control of the Church. A clear majority of the citizens of N.I. want to be part of the E.U. - not to have an impossible-to-enforce border, etc. So I think its time Westminster grasped the nettle.

Platinum · M

@alan20 we voted to leave the eu and we are in a transition period and will be free by the end of the year...a lot of people wanted to remain but by the system we have, we leave....what happens with NI will get sorted out.....if you want the eu, it's easy to emigrate...I'm happy we are leaving...

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

At least you guys and girls have a governement 😂

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Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Burnley123 How things are going now, I wouldn't be surprised if our Neo-Fascists in sheeps clothing will get 22 percent if it comes to a next election.

This weekend our Right-Wing-Poppulists came on the TV talking about how great democracy is. Almost made me want to vomit.

milkymum1 · 31-35, F

@Kwek00 We might have a government but one that isnt interested in the normal person, just lok at the way BJ and co ahvent helped people in the floods, food banks, or even on the liner in Japan!!!!

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