Unless there is an endgame that I can't see, Trump has finally done something I think is completely boneheaded and dishonorable.

@Cierzo They are low on the Islamic pecking order, so naturally they would want help from the hero or the neighborhood bully. They just expected the hero or the neighborhood bully to help them back when they rendered assistance.

@Cierzo I believe the Kurds have been persecuted by the Turks in the Middle East since time began. The turks had actually begun a process of genocide, and the Kurds fled to the north, to Syria.

So they are not "backed" by some big mystery group. They are simply fighting to stay alive. The Turks have declared that they are terrorists.

When Assad began chemical warfare in Syria and the US was forced to step in, the Kurds saw US forces as strong allies. They wished to assist us hoping to gain our support in their centuries long fight with the Turks.

@4meAndyou I think our relationship with the Turks is one of expedience. Like the Saudi's, the Turks are not good. They are draconian and theocratic for a false god. They kill each other for things that they themselves do. They talk spiritual and bugger little boys in the same day.

@puck61 The Turks are back-stabbing thieves, and they have been so since the beginning of time. They can't be trusted...not for a minute. Unfortunately, they are members of NATO.

@4meAndyou I've never understood any kind of relationship with the Turks. They are the nastiest of the nasty bunch! "Expedience" what a word!

@puck61 I would have to brush up on my history, of how and why they joined NATO. I do know that they are in another one of their forever wars with the Saudis.

@4meAndyou I wish all these "religious psychosis" sufferers would hurry up and finish killing each other to tell you the truth.

@puck61 It's not just religion. For sure religion is part of it, but it's multi faceted, and tribal. We KNOW that Africa is tribal, and that in Africa the tribes can't let go of wars and vendettas that began when in antiquity. What we often ignore is that the Arabs are the exact same way. It will never stop because hatred is not really sane, and hatred is taught from father to son.

@4meAndyou I developed my hatred [b][c=#7700B2]all by myself[/c][/b]!!! My folks were honest to goodness "flower children".
Except my mom [b]did[/b] think Charles Manson was Jesus.

@puck61 😂

@4meAndyou Nobody likes the Turks. You ask anyone in the neighbouring countries and they will say the worst about them. I would not say they are the nastiest of the nasty bunch, though, certainly not as long as the Saudis exist, but would love to see Istambul in Christian hands again before I die.

On the other hand, I see Erdogan loves his country more, and has more guts than 95% of Western leaders.

My point is that Kurds and Turks have been fighting for decades, and it is nobody's business but theirs. I will never understand why the west does not let all the Middle East Semites (I don't care whether they are Muslims or Jews) to kill one another if that is what they please. They have been doing it for centuries, much longer even before the Crusades.

@Cierzo I think you just made President Trump's point. These are endless wars, fought for centuries by tribes who hate the other tribes, and they are all nasty and nuts, and why should any of our sons die for such a stupid cause?

@4meAndyou In my opinion he is totally right in this issue. American resources can be used in much better ways.