Do you ever call-out your own side?

I do, to the extent that I'm not even sure I have a real side.

The thing is, in the US, that kind of disloyalty will get you tweeted about long after your dead, e.g., John McCain.

I do tend to harp on the other side a bit more, but really, what inflames me most is people who can't or won't see shades of grey, acnkowledge their own biases and faults, or accept that winning battles at any cost can destroy both sides as well as losing a war.

People do things wrong, whether they belong to a "side" or no side. When someone deserves criticism, they should be criticized. I can't think of an instance where one of the hard right-wing SWers admitted wrong. Self-reflection seems to be completely absent in that group. I have seen left-wingers criticize others who share their beliefs if they go too far. I attribute this to the fact the left-wingers tend to see things in shades of gray, whereas right-wingers see things as black and white with no nuance.

Yes, I will call out those on my own side if they stray into outright cruelty.

However, I haven’t seen that happen.

The most I’ve felt like I needed to do was remind people that Barron Trump is a child, who didn’t run for office and has no control over his father - when I saw something poking fun at him. I don’t think that’s fair.

My so-called "side" is always debatable. I don't see it as any kind of unchallenged truth or anything obvious, I'm a human and to err is to be human. I know, that most people here are Americans and then we have a weird mix of Aussies/Canadians/Brits... So basically people like myself and our resident dentist from Bulgaria are quite an oddity in the mix.

I don't really know, what to think about this post. Lots of stuff, that come naturally to people over this side of the pond. Sometimes, I think, certain people are just too full of themselves to understand the reality as it is. Then again, what do I know? I'm just a Finn trying to say, it's not about the length of the post, if we already know all the stuff, but merely are ignoring it. I'm 50/60, if I should love this post or not, since... Well... Some of us actually do live in civilized world.

I could find another criticism of my left counterparts like I don't hear them sticking up for the case of grass fed farming and would like to hear more so I feel more confident in them. Conservatives are mostly running on platforms for urban farming areas but I dislike most of their other positions, this leaves me feeling at odds occasionally (not all the time.) I would prefer to get rid of industrialized vegetable mono cropping which is REALLY bad for our soil and industrialized meat farming to go back to the good old days of getting farm fresh dairy milk, grass fed meat and localized grown veggies but also getting rid of corn and soy being used for high fructose corn syrup.

Over here, in the supermarkets we mainly get our veggies from countries who have known child slave labor practices and I feel icky trying to purchase it. I really look at tomatoes with a deep suspicion these days, I'm not even kidding, I seriously want no part in exploitation.

I'm not sure if any Democrats have spoken about local farming but it bothers me I don't hear very much from them on that subject, I've heard it's because they try to focus in the cities and I think that's not very fair.

I have before occasionally when I find something. Veganism is closer to the left (my side of the left) and I tend to criticize them when I see something that bothers me. I get their ethical arguments but some things they say are true, others are half true and some are just outright false and deceiving people.

I haven't really been watching anything I disagree with the left on as I mostly watch seminars now and the like rather than protests and other things that are only for dramatic flair (like I used to when I was first on here.)

Those things are tricky to call out because video only tells half the story. There's sometimes you can make up your mind and then other times it's found out that it was only half of what I saw so I feel like I can't trust myself to know what's going on enough to criticize anyone.

Take the MAGA pro lifer boys and that one Native American, far righters say that the MAGA boys were completely innocent and I have to admit, I was taken aback for quite awhile on that one. Then I saw another video that surfaced when a MAGA boy told a girl when discussing something about their pro life stance (I assume) "It's not rape if you enjoy it!"

They were also screaming at girls and just being rude.

The things is the media does a great job at portraying them as victims but other video evidence including what they were there for (pro life) shows they were there for an agenda, like everyone else.

So that's one case of where it gets tricky on video 🤷‍♀️

Trumpists are very united and have learned not to call out their own side for the sake of unity. And what is there to call-out? They are the party White Supremacists. Of course, "our side" can't be terrorists! As you know, all terrorists use some form of the "self-defense" argument.

About our own side, I've called out the progressives several times. Hey, OAC accused people like me, moderates, as having a "meh" attitude about life. Thanks! I called out Omar and got serious push-back. Didn't convince anyone of anything.

I have tried to intervene when logic is not met. To my own detriment. I got abused and people often become racist. A good friend got pushed off this site the day after what happened. Because all muslims should apparently die. Peoples brains go to mush in these events and it becomes increasingly difficult to challenge and to dampen.

Every chance I get! I hold people that represent me to a very high esteem.

I would in the real world. Most of the time I steer clear of political debate (sic) on here.

It's been a while since I've done that, and I've been avoiding politics for the most part for a while on here, but I did once, just before the election. Someone was being really obnoxious, engaging in name-calling, and making our side look bad. I said something, and she accused me of being on the other side. And then she kept on with her rant, so I just bowed out because I knew that things would just escalate further if I kept trying to talk to her.

Despite my moronically inciteful profile name, I am quite capable of holding my own opinion from a left-leaning libertarian standpoint. For example, the Jessie Smollet debacle was a joke and Hillary should be drawn and quartered. I personally blame her and democrats for Trump.
Let’s ask this...Has any conservative criticised conservative douche, Jacob Wohl for going to the police with fake death threats??? Plodding through the political landscape of America, I have chose to remain an independent because I refuse to align with any party. As the OP has mentioned, rarely do you see the right step up and take their own to task for their behavior. I see the left all to often bowing down and eating their own, but I rarely ever see the right do the same with those within their ranks.

I have. There are things my “side” does that I downright disagree with, like turning a blind eye to people breaking existing laws, and legislating around those laws so that they can’t be enforced. I don’t see that helping anyone longterm and it’s actually hurt several people.

I call outlet wrong when I see it no matter which "side" it's on. And I do agree at least in part, with you views on confirmation bias, but I would add tgat it is often a double edged sword. Not only does it prevent people from calling out wrongs on their own side, it can often blind people for seeing those on the opposite side policing their own.

You mentioned two examples of horrible/racist posts that were hearted and unchecked. First of all, you have no way of knowing whether the hearts came from people on one side or the other. I hate to break it to people but racism and islamaphobia exists on both sides and is far from a right wing or left wing issue.

Secondly, I have seen dozens of posts over the years wher3 people have been called out by people they considered allies. So it does happen.

I am an ideas kind of person. I criticize those whose ideas I disagree with and congratulate those whose ideas I agree with.

I don't think of things in terms of sides. Racism is not political and classless I certainly have experienced racism from all types of people.

As for those hearing such posts. I see that too. I see people posting about such horrible stuff and others hearing. This is at its worst when you see posts about child abuse. I remember seeing a post about a user saying how wonderful it was to be raped and saw a friend had hearted that post. I did call them out on this sort of stuff but now feel that ì am fighting a losing battle.

Of course I do.

Yeah, absolutely. I'm pretty vocal about somethings I see on the radical left I intensely dislike but I think part of the problem with the left is that we can't agree on the damn time of day, lol.

But regardless the conservative response to the Christchurch shooting has been really chilling because similar tragedies in the past had a little more basic human empathy.

I see democrats (all factions) often misquoting people intentionally to make a point. It weakens the argument you might otherwise have had. Yes, I call people on that. There's enough stupidity out there without your making stuff up.

Yes, for rampant fence-sitting.

But I definitely shit on the left and right more.