What are your opinions on trumps/US governments stance on venezuela?
Particularly interested in democrats and anti-trumpers view on this but all opinions welcome 👌
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wildbill83 · 36-40, M
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
maybe Bernie should move down there, he might actually be able to win an election... 🤣
gol979 · 41-45, M
@wildbill83 you ok dude? You're conversing in words rather than memes? 😉
You consistently criticise socialism, that's not a bad thing, but can you explain what you think socialism is?
You consistently criticise socialism, that's not a bad thing, but can you explain what you think socialism is?
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
gol979 · 41-45, M
@wildbill83 that's lenin saying that and I'm sure I could find you loads of other quotes by him that you would disagree with. Also, one of lenin 's first moves was to crush the workers unions.....not very socialist or communist.
Anyway, good to see you're back on form 👍
In your own opinion, what do you think socialism is and how does this manifest itself in policy?
Anyway, good to see you're back on form 👍
In your own opinion, what do you think socialism is and how does this manifest itself in policy?
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
gol979 · 41-45, M
@wildbill83 fair enough. You have confident opinions based on nothing. Cheers for clarifying that
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@gol979 No, I have confident facts based on knowledge, experience and people who've fought against and/or lived through socialism...
gol979 · 41-45, M
@wildbill83 let's hear these confident facts about socialist policies
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@gol979 better yet, how about you give me an example of a successful socialist government
gol979 · 41-45, M
@wildbill83 consistently refusing to answer any questions that are based on your responses....... "confident facts". Should be easy for you to say one of these facts?
Just look at the period of post ww2 until the 70s. Very socialist policies enacted (huge infrastructure projects, regulation on the finance markets and the flow of capital across borders, creating millions of jobs in the environmental sector (fdr, in your country), welfare state that has fiscal multipliers, a progressive tax system, laws that state the owners of a company could only earn a certain percentage more than the lowest paid worker etc, etc). This led to the biggest economic growth globally ever seen.
Then what happened in the 70s??
I answered your question, that's how you have a conversation
Just look at the period of post ww2 until the 70s. Very socialist policies enacted (huge infrastructure projects, regulation on the finance markets and the flow of capital across borders, creating millions of jobs in the environmental sector (fdr, in your country), welfare state that has fiscal multipliers, a progressive tax system, laws that state the owners of a company could only earn a certain percentage more than the lowest paid worker etc, etc). This led to the biggest economic growth globally ever seen.
Then what happened in the 70s??
I answered your question, that's how you have a conversation
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@gol979 pointless to respond to someone whose oblivious to history and ignores context
your response is a better example... what you call "socialist policies" is actually capitalism. socialist polices didn't create infrastructure and jobs, government subsidies did; and the profit generated returns to the market and self fortifies.
The trouble with debating with "pro-socialists" is that they ignore all the bad examples of socialism (Nazi Germany/East Germany, USSR, China, Vietnam, North Korea/DPRK, Loas, Burma, Libya, Syria, Iraq, etc.) and use Democratic, free market examples that aren't even socialist.
What happened in the 70's? OPEC happened... so what's your point?
Quite frankly, I don't have the time nor the desire to write a 100 page essay on the evils of socialism on SW. If you haven't figured it out for yourself by now, you probably never will; so it would be pointless for me to try and convince you otherwise.
"If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists" - Friedrich Hayek
your response is a better example... what you call "socialist policies" is actually capitalism. socialist polices didn't create infrastructure and jobs, government subsidies did; and the profit generated returns to the market and self fortifies.
The trouble with debating with "pro-socialists" is that they ignore all the bad examples of socialism (Nazi Germany/East Germany, USSR, China, Vietnam, North Korea/DPRK, Loas, Burma, Libya, Syria, Iraq, etc.) and use Democratic, free market examples that aren't even socialist.
What happened in the 70's? OPEC happened... so what's your point?
Quite frankly, I don't have the time nor the desire to write a 100 page essay on the evils of socialism on SW. If you haven't figured it out for yourself by now, you probably never will; so it would be pointless for me to try and convince you otherwise.
"If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists" - Friedrich Hayek
gol979 · 41-45, M
@wildbill83 ok. We disagree......but we are living in hayek's version of free market (it isn't free, but hey ho) deregulated capitalism. The Chicago boys etc and look what that got us and where we are now.
Again going on about socialist policies but when asked to name just one, you can't.
And even if those countries you mention were socialist......what happened to the majority of them. Invaded by us??
Again going on about socialist policies but when asked to name just one, you can't.
And even if those countries you mention were socialist......what happened to the majority of them. Invaded by us??