Bernie announces he is running again, what do you think?

@Budwick noooooo, please, please don't try and make the distribution of wealth more equal. Nooooo, please don't nationalise natural monopolies that will bring down the amount everyone pays for their bills, nooooo please don't take profit motives out of education and healthcare........you nasty sharing bastards!!!!!

@gol979 You really believe that shit, don't you?
What a maroon.

Wanna see socialism? Take a look at Venezuela. It always ends that way.

@Budwick we have already had this discussion about Venezuela and you just went quiet.

Yes I do believe those points. It's empirically true

@gol979 [quote]It's empirically true[/quote]

It's totally false.

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/what-americans-must-know-about-socialism

@Budwick so all those economic issues I mentioned above is incorrect? Are you super rich? That's the only reason why anyone would resist these changes

@gol979 [quote]so all those economic issues I mentioned above is incorrect?[/quote]
Yes.

@Budwick so the system we have now is the "best and fairest" system?

@gol979 The guaranteed chance of success provided by capitalism inspires hard work, perseverance, and hope. Moreover, capitalism results in the overall increase of innovation and economic growth. In a capitalist driven economic system, consumers make decisions, or votes, on preferences for products and services.

@Budwick everything you have said there is false under this version of capitalism.
Innovation is usually found on the production line but all incentive has been taken away because of a worker comes up with a way to make productivity more efficient it more than likely means losing their job. In fact it's anti incentive.
This version of capitalism naturally leads to monopolies which is garbage for the consumer on every level (competition, prices, service, quality).
Also look at production in relation to wages. They used to be in some kind of correlation but since the 70s production has increased rapidly and wages have stagnated, the worst stagnation since the great depression.
The solution is just regulation on rapacious capitalism. The biggest economic growth globally was post ww2 until the 70s when the regulations started to come away.
It's not radical.enough for me but at least it was more equitable

@gol979 "Capitalism works better than any of us can conceive. It is also the only truly moral system of exchange. It encourages individuals to freely devote their energies and impulses to peaceful pursuits, to the satisfaction of others’ wants and needs, and to constructive action for the welfare of all. The basis for capitalism is not greed. You don’t see misers creating Walmarts and Microsofts.

Think about it for a moment. Capitalism is truly miraculous. What other system enables us to cooperate with millions of other ordinary people—whom we will never meet but whom we will gladly provide with goods and services—in an incredible, complex web of commercial transactions? And what other system perpetuates itself, working every day, year in, year out, with no single hand guiding it?

Capitalism is a moral system if only because it is based on trust. When we turn on a light, we assume that there will be electricity. When we drive into a service station, we assume that there will be fuel. When we walk into a restaurant, we assume that there will be food. If we were to make a list of all the basic things that capitalism provides—things that we take for granted—it would fill an encyclopedia."

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/three-cheers-for-capitalism/

@Budwick come on dude. This deregulated capitalism is a horrid model made to extract wealth from normal people to.the very top.
26 people own as much wealth as 50% of the global population.

Are you against any form of regulation. Even when there economists stating that it is unhealthy for the economy to have deregulation and more deregulation?

@gol979 [quote]Are you against any form of regulation[/quote]
No, of course not.

@Budwick so what's the issue with nationalizing natural monopolies (water, post, energy) and democratizing them as everyone relies on those basic goods to live? (Baring post of course)

@gol979 The first thing that makes me suspicious is your "word vomit" nationalizing natural monopolies" - what does that even mean?

Posts are a natural monopoly? What do you want with my posts?

I'm in favor of the smallest government possible. The fewer regulations the better.

Dems tried regulating water - right down to the rain that falls in my yard and taxing it. Bite me.

@Budwick well let me explain my word vomit.

Post = mail. One letterbox hence a natural monopoly. Same applies to the other sectors I !mentioned. But someone who even has read a couple of pages of economics will know what a natural monopoly is.

So you are for regulation then against regulation. Ok bro, you reside in two realities at the same time 👍

@gol979 Your motto - "When all else fails - be stupid!"

@Budwick for a moment we had a decent discussion going......shame that dude. Partially my fault for being condesending, apologies for that

@gol979 Apology accepted.

@Budwick
Fortunately, the young fool is too young to be on the ticket, unless of course they can quickly get a constitutional amendment passed.

Or maybe they can get a decision from the 9th Circuit Court that age discrimination of that sort by the constitution is unconstitutional.

@Budwick 😂😂 doesn't change the fact you're voting against your own interests

@gol979
Why would it be in Budwick's interest to vote for a bunch of rich socialist oligarchs whose first order of business would be to make [i]more[/i] people dependent on government, so as to secure for themselves a permanent hold on political power (as has already happened in California)?

Even good old Bernie Sanders is a millionaire, his nonsensical rhetoric against "millionaires and billionaires" notwithstanding. 😂

@Thinkerbell mild socialism is about regulating the rampant capitalism we have now. You can see my above messages for a break down

@Thinkerbell Yea gol979!
What she said!
@gol979

Socialists are for no one but themselves.
Putz's like gol are simple tools used by those oligarchs.

@gol979
The socialism they have in California has long since stopped being "mild".
And do you suppose the nonsense espoused by AOC is "mild"?

@Budwick honestly.......baffles me the amount of cognitive dissonance going on here. Both of you are using criticism of the system you profess to endorse, deregulated capitalism, and just pop in the word socialism.
Socialist economics looks to curtail the potential of oligarchs and monopoly