Seven Mps resign from Labour, your thoughts?

@room101 It will split the progressive vote and lead to a tory majority, even if its 'successful' on its own terms.

@Burnley123 It may very well be as you predict. What makes it even more likely is that the self-named Independent Group have no (at this point) cohesive plan to form another political party.

That's why I want centrists and progressives from the Tory party to also join them.

@room101 Good luck in..

1) Finding any centrist or progressives in the Tory party and...
2) Getting them to join you.

@Burnley123 hahahaha they're not joining me mate. I'm just Joe Public.

Regardless, even though I can't name any at the moment, I'm sure that if I put my mind to it I could find a few Tories who fit the adjective of centrist. Progressive? Maybe not. But centrist? Sure, why not 🤷‍♂️

@room101 I meant getting them to join Chukka etal lol but yeah. Tory remainer rebels tend not to rebel and just talk about it. The new party will be pro EU but also pro austerity. It's not progressive imo.

@Burnley123 Well, there is no new party at the moment. There is an incorporated company which can receive funding etc. That's it.

@room101 I'm interested who is funding them. One thing about socialists is that we typically don't get many corporate donations. Lol

@Burnley123 I heard that they are being funded by a company called Gemini A Ltd and that it was formed a month or so ago by one of the seven, Gavin Shuker.

Don't know how reliable any of that is, nor where Gemini A gets its money.

@room101 @Burnley123 Gemini A, HQ in Panama (offshore). Refusing to say that they are a "party" so they can circumnavigate electoral laws regarding the transparency of the parties (not party) funding, they are not obliged to reveal who is sponsoring them.....seems like we actually have an astroturf political party, that won't last long imo. Maybe they're just there to give oxygen to the stories of Labour being institutionally racist, bankrupting the country etc, etc.

@gol979 Or maybe it's early days yet. As to giving oxygen to the various negative stories about Corbyn's Labour Party, I think that they are doing enough of that themselves.

@room101 what do you mean early days?

@gol979 erm.......well......they only resigned yesterday so...........

@room101 I get that but in what context did you mean it in response to me? That they haven't callers themselves a party because it's early days?

@gol979 In the context of your overall reply.

I heard Chris Leslie on LBC yesterday and he said that they are not calling themselves a political party yet because they simply are not one. They do not know if they have support from the electorate. They do not have a common manifesto or agenda. They do not have a hierarchy amongst themselves. They do not have any kind of infrastructure.

They are just seven people who have become so frustrated with Corbyn's Labour Party that they finally had enough.

@room101 so Chris Leslie states this and it's gospel? Is Angela Smith's appraisal of Asians being a "funny taint" gospel? Or is it that after calling the Labour party institutionally racist roughly 2 hours later she calls Asians a "funny taint".
Or maybe part of the reason is that 2 of the mps had votes of no confidence by the members?
It is is that maybe they don't like the policy of nationalizing water because they're directly linked to the water companies? (Smith again)
Maybe they're outraged the there's gay equal rights? (Shuker threatened to quit the party in 2010 of this got voted through)
Or is it that they want to abolish trial by jury?
Loads more of you need it.

Lastly, I would understand what you're saying.....apart from the fact they have registered themselves in Panama? If you could explain that?

@gol979 Is that what you want to do? Run through lists of the crappy things that politicians say and do? If so, we're going to be here for the next hundred years or more.

I gave a brief synopsis of what Chris Leslie said yesterday. Is any of that untrue?

"They" have not registered themselves in Panama. The company that they have formed is registered here in the UK at Companies' House. Gemini A Ltd is registered here in the UK at Companies' House. It is a 75% subsidiary of a company registered in Panama.

Because Gemini A Ltd is registered at Companies' House, it falls under the jurisdiction of all UK company law.

Of course the Panama connection seems shady AF. But I simply don't know enough about the whole thing to make any judgments at this point. What I do know is that, even though I've been a Labour supporter my whole life, even though my entire family have always supported Labour, even though the vast majority of my friends support Labour.........I stopped voting Labour some two years ago.

@room101 that's what you do when you want to judge politicians who are always full of weasel words. Look at their voting record and financial interests but it seems you would rather just forget and take everything that these politicians say at face value.

Panama seems shady as fuck but you defend it.

I didn't say what words Chris Leslie said were untrue but I doubt he means what he says.

Why did you stop voting labour? What policies were so abhorrent to.you to abandon your whole families ethos?

@gol979 Oh you doubt that he means what he says, and that's perfectly fine by you because..........you've looked at his voting record and his financial interests.

Well I've looked at the words and actions of Jeremy Corbyn (throughout his political career) and it turns my guts.

Can we stick to one thread. Jumping from one to the other is getting tedious.

@room101 sure......I didn't even realise lol.

Yes I doubt what he says. Do you believe everything that comes out of these 7 politicians mouths?

What turns your guts about how he has conducted himself?