The United States of America is a racist country....true or false ? 🇺🇸

@kodiac 😴 Zzzzzzzzz

@kodiac I can't help to see the irony that someone in a story that talks about "America being a racist country" uses an organisation that could only excist because slavery was legal. And in America, Slavery was legal and became an institution exactly because the idea was that black people weren't smart and were only good and happy when they were used to work.

Also, there is an argument to be made that freeing slaves and the opposition to slavery weren't a form of anti-racism, but just anti-slavery. Freeing a black person isn't the same thing as proclaiming that that person is equal to you because skin color doesn't measure who is and who isn't a human being.

@Kwek00 Typical response white man bad .

@Zonuss Better?.

@kodiac Maybe you should dig into a bit more detail of your history, instead of just finding some nugget that you like and pretend that this makes everything better.

@Kwek00 White man bad ,we get it.Maybe you should dig further like how those slaves got here from Africa. Sold into slavery for a string of beads and an iron skillet

@kodiac I don't really need to dig further, the trade was part of the issue. And it could only be maintained because Americans payed top dollar. For Europeans it was changing beads and iron skillets into fat cash.

I don't think you get it, but you aren't the smartest kid on the block.

@Kwek00 Namaste🖕

@kodiac Exactly you little brat.

@Kwek00 [quote]Also, there is an argument to be made that freeing slaves and the opposition to slavery weren't a form of anti-racism, but just anti-slavery. Freeing a black person isn't the same thing as proclaiming that that person is equal to you because skin color doesn't measure who is and who isn't a human being.[/quote]

Spot on. Even Lincoln, at least initially, was among a sizable number of the abolitionists opposed to slavery who wanted to see them repatriated to Africa and were behind the creation of Liberia.

@Kwek00 Thats the truth. 🙂

@Kwek00

@Kwek00 who do you think sold the slave it was other African tribes.

@dale74 Yeah, they sold them to the Europeans, then the Europeans sold them to the Americans. After a while the Europeans stopped doing it. And even when slaving tading became outlawed in the US on a federal level (1808). Americans in the south organised and went to Africa to ship slaves that they could smuggle in through ports in the south, where the federal law was neglected.

If you are going to point to the African tribes that sold the slaves, and pretend that the US therefore by some strange magical reason becomes better off in the story. Then I'll say to you what I said earlier in this coversation: [i]Maybe you should dig into a bit more detail of your history, instead of just finding some nugget that you like and pretend that this makes everything better.[/i]

... 'cause these kind of objections aren't only red herrings, they are just stupid.

@Kwek00 likewise if you're going to pretend that understand that slavery still exists in Asia and Africa. And there isn't a single person here in the United States that has ever owned a slave here in the United States alive today.

@dale74 Slavery isn't as much of an issue today, the ripple effects of that period are. Next to that, you just had 4 years of an American president that pampered to white nationalists and xenophobia, made extremely bigoted comments about non-european-immigrants and believes that the 1950s were the "good old days". He also wanted to make a "pro-american-curriculum that celebrates the truth", which would based on the 1776 report. A report, that just denies that Americas' racist past has any impact today. Because apperently, it's "unpatriotic" to understand the social issues of todays world.

Also... if I comment on an issue about "slavery", and you comment on an issue about that period. Bringing up "slaves in todays world" is just another fucked up way of not having to deal with your countries past. Just want to point that out, because the red herrings keep on comming.

[b]EDIT:[/b] Oh, and forgot that CPAC, the conservative platform, is looking at hungary for inspiration. You know, that country with a christian authoritarian at the top that says that race-mixing is not okay. Because that's totally cool.

@Kwek00 yes it does exist today. And if people did not make money on race it wouldn't be an issue [media=https://youtu.be/VM4Uzr1J3Lk]

@dale74 I think the conservative party backers make a lot money using racist doggwhistles. So yeah, you might be right on that.

@Kwek00 that just told me everything I need to know about you. No need to carry on a discussion with you and your blinders. With no examples.

@dale74 Just go digging in what the main aim of the republican party has been since the end of the 1970s. The aim is to reduce taxes on the rich. That's why the republican party has all these wealthy libertarian types that don't like to pay taxes, because "redistibution" in any form is just labeled "socialism". The wrongs of the past can't be adressed, because that would mean "redistibution" and thus "socialism". And these people they will hug anyone that vote for them. That's why the Donald, the new seller of the brand that makes rich people more rich, opened his arms to all these fringe groups that most people don't want to see in politics. That's why he can't adress white supremacy, because the white supremacists were cheering for him. That's why the KKK promoted Donald Trump in 2016. Not that Donald cares a whole lot about these people, or the poor (no matter how white they are). Nah, he just doesn't want to pay taxes like his buddies. And to keep the bigots loyal, you have to give bigoted speeches, cite "the snake poem" for 4 years long. Tell people that the 1950s were the good old days.

Nothing new... Nixon and Reagan did similair things. Here is the tactic from the horse mouth:

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But you just keep pretending that everything is cool. Keep drinking the coolaid.