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How many School shootings in a year?

Maybe nobody really knows.


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[quote]The School Shootings That Weren't[/b]


How many times per year does a gun go off in an American school?

We should know. But we don't.

This spring the U.S. Education Department reported that in the 2015-2016 school year, "nearly 240 schools ... reported at least 1 incident involving a school-related shooting." The number is far higher than most other estimates.

But NPR reached out to every one of those schools repeatedly over the course of three months and found that more than two-thirds of these reported incidents never happened. Child Trends, a nonpartisan nonprofit research organization, assisted NPR in analyzing data from the government's Civil Rights Data Collection.

We were able to confirm just 11 reported incidents, either directly with schools or through media reports.

In 161 cases, schools or districts attested that no incident took place or couldn't confirm one. In at least four cases, we found, something did happen, but it didn't meet the government's parameters for a shooting. About a quarter of schools didn't respond to our inquiries.

"When we're talking about such an important and rare event, [this] amount of data error could be very meaningful," says Deborah Temkin, a researcher and program director at Child Trends.
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Full article;
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
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katielass · F
Some of the discrepancy can be explained by the fact that some, perhaps including the federal government, count the discharging of a gun if one toe is near school property on a Sunday evening and the target was a bird in the sky.
If some dickhead was shooting at a bird in the sky within 100 m of my kids school I hope he's locked up good and proper.

Ffs, just think about what you said. 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️@katielass
katielass · F
@InOtterWords It was a ridiculous example, used to make a point. One that apparently went over your head.
Elegy · 46-50
@katielass They took that into account. They asked the exact same question.
Straylight · 31-35, F
@InOtterWords Oh my god, what's wrong with people?
katielass · F
@Straylight Well, we're waiting. What's wrong with you, you stupid fucker.
Elegy · 46-50
@katielass 😲 Swear Jar! 👉 🍯
Straylight · 31-35, F
@katielass How delightfully crass. Why the anger hun? Do you need to vent?
@katielass what is ridiculous is that there are guns near schools....in the first 21 weeks of the year there were 23 reported school shootings......those are the reported ones....do you not get that? Guns and schools should be kept well apart.

Also, when you get abusive towards someone who disagrees with you it is because you have nothing of actual value to contribute.


@Straylight and they put guns into the hands of people like that, what more can I say 🤷🏽‍♀️
Straylight · 31-35, F
@InOtterWords Its sad that issues of child safety and responsible gun ownership devolves into political fighting and name calling.
Niburu · 51-55, M
@InOtterWords

[quote]what is ridiculous is that there are guns near schools....in the first 21 weeks of the year there were 23 reported school shootings......those are the reported ones....do you not get that?[/quote]


Please read the NPR article posted for this thread.
What is being reported is not very accurate or based in reality.
Niburu · 51-55, M
@Straylight I am sorely tempted to clean up all the off topic bickering, as amusing as it all is.
Which means that there is no accuracy in ever knowing just how serious the problem is. All the same, one is too many don't you think. @Niburu
Elegy · 46-50
@InOtterWords He did give that response BA.
@Niburu the name calling reduces any chance of having any reasonable debate
Niburu · 51-55, M
@InOtterWords
and as indicated by the NPR article it's all considerably overblown

and yes one is too many

what needs to be done to get that point is what needs to be figured out

and realistically figured out
@Niburu firstly the statistics need to be uniform, what is a school shooting incident, how is it reported. One agency collating the data. It seems a shame that the data discrepancies are getting in the way of developing some sound ideas on how to stop this from happening.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Guns don’t fly. HUMANS take guns places. HUMANS are thr problem. Both the humans that take the guns places and the humans who don’t hold humans responsible. (Which would be YOU) @InOtterWords @InOtterWords
Straylight · 31-35, F
@jackjjackson I don't see how you gathered that @InOtterWords doesn't hold people responsible when that's exactly what she started with.

And the classic "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Is a cop out argument because it offers no conclusion. Should there be no gun laws? Should the laws in place now suffice? Should the rise in mass shootings be considered separate from a discussion on gun law? Who knows? And an argument with no conclusion is no argument at all.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Relatively true
Current gun laws should be enforced
Restrictions should be put on guns other than those for hunting and home defense.
Mental health work should be done to profile the shooters and attempt to prevent future shooters
Action should be taken faster and deadlier when a shooter starts. @Straylight
@jackjjackson when did I say guns were the problem in this debate?
It is putting the guns in the hands of people not properly trained or of sane mind that is part of the problem. Access to guns is too easy and there should be some control of which [i][b]humans[/b][/i] should be allowed access
Straylight · 31-35, F
@jackjjackson Indeed. I would agree that phsychotics are the problem, I just wish there was an easy way to answer the problem.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Excellent point. I’m waiting in eager anticipation for @Babylon to announce her proposed solution. @Straylight
@jackjjackson

Not in order if importance but these are factors I think that could help:


1. Access to guns is made stricter, the purchase, ownership and maintenance of firearms to be documented better. There is a difference between arming yourself and having an Arsenal at home

2. Review the changes in guns and assess how a 200 year old amendment can be updated.

3. Limit civilian access to semi-automatic weapons
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
1 and 3 sound like a good start. @InOtterWords