Voter ID laws are NOT racist

@Notmesam Voting couldn't be any easier.

@MethDozer Ya but imagine if it was even more accessible? What if every eligible American voted??

@MethDozer You might want to check this out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States

@Notmesam They can if they want. Unless they are felon which I agree is bullshit.

@MethDozer For the elderly and dirt poor it’s a pain in the ass. What if voting was as easy as buying cigs at 7/11? Make it easy and accessible everywhere. Include more Americans in the process. What’s wrong with that? Why make it harder?

@Notmesam It is that easy. Being poor does not make going to the polling station hard and there is no reason someone could not make arrangements to get there if they wanted. If you can get to the 7/11 for smokes, you should have no problem getting to a polling station if it is important to you.
Asking for ID is only controversial when the US tries it.

@MethDozer Sure it does. Polling stations in some areas are only open during working hours, poor working ppl can’t get to them, adding an ID requirement just adds another obstacle, I’ve had to stand in poll lines for hours, old ppl/disabled can’t do that. Why are you afraid to include more Americans in the process? Voter fraud is very rare in this county

@MethDozer As mentioned, it is controversial in the US because of a history and a present of trying to suppress minority voters.

It doesn't help to alleviate the controversy that the issue is currently being pushed by a racist president.

@WoodyAq The whole world has a history of that, so we are not unique. You act like this only happens and happened in the US. Again, only when it is the US, does anybody care.

@MethDozer The US adopted democracy sooner and got rid of slavery later. So it is unique in that way. It then went out of it's way to disenfranchise minorities while still maintaining a robust democracy in other ways. Again, unique.

And in many ways it has continued the practice. So a racist president pushing these laws look like more of the same. Other democracies don't seem to have the same issues.

@WoodyAq We are the first Constituional Democratic Republic ( not a democracy) nation that is true. That is the only thing unique about us. Slavery existed in the world after the US abandoned it and we were not very far behind the others.

This shit is not unique to the US.

@MethDozer Name another democracy that had the equivalent of the Jim Crow era and is actively trying to suppress voter turnout today.

@WoodyAq We aren't a democracy and never have been or designed as one.


It doesn't matter anyway, if one place has it, then they have fuck all to say if we do. Of you say it is not a good idea here then it isn't anywhere.

@MethDozer So it's okay to disenfranchise people?

@WoodyAq Did not say that. If it. Again what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

But yea,as in the case of non citizens it is absolutely okay and just to disenfranchise them.

@MethDozer The way they are applied has been found to disenfranchise citizens.

@WoodyAq Again, read my comments about it. I addressed that repeatedly

@MethDozer Repeat it again, one more time.

@WoodyAq No, go read my comment to OP

@MethDozer As far as I can see, none of your responses address the issue, except to claim it doesn't exist.

@WoodyAq You didn't look very hard.

"It really isn't, nor is it unreasonable. That said there needs to be a free, concrete, and lifetime ID system to do it or it is not right. An expired or lost ID should not preclude a citizen from voting. "

@MethDozer Yeah. That's not part of the current proposal for a reason. And it isn't technically feasible.

@WoodyAq It is feasible and the rest of the world requires one. Why shouldn't we. I take it you aren't from here so how about you get rid of yours since it would actually affect you.

We are talking about the idea being legit and sound, not any current proposal.

@MethDozer The rest of the world doesn't require one, and where they do, it is often an instrument of state control, or it started as one, which is why North America has resisted. Canada, for example, doesn't require a photo id.

But if you are talking about the current proposal rather than your hypothetical one, it doesn't include provisions for the government to provide everybody with the necessary id in a timely fashion. And it doesn't, I suggest, because it fits in with a pattern of voter suppression that the GOP wants.

That isn't to say your hypothetical system is wrong. Or that the idea is inherently racist. It is just that, in the real world, the way it'll actually be applied, is.

@WoodyAq Canada does require an ID. So Does France,Germany, The Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Switzerland.......