zezizu · 31-35, M
modern feminism is simply a bunch of women who hate men. pretending they are fighting for rights yet what they really want is to dominate men. a bunch of women who want to control men, who want nothing to do with men, who think men and men's desires need to be changed
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Uh, I was going to write an entire novel on this but need to step back. I'll try to keep it short.
I'm a feminist. I agree with modern feminist theory. I do not think the political tactics of many feminists are accomplishing much and may be doing actual harm. Call-outs and focusing on individual purity are just masturbation. Get shit done.
I am unconcerned with its popularity. Feminism has NEVER been popular. I think most of the "Well modern feminism is all radical man-haters, but the second wave was great" is bs. The second wave were called radical man haters with just as much vigour.
I'm a feminist. I agree with modern feminist theory. I do not think the political tactics of many feminists are accomplishing much and may be doing actual harm. Call-outs and focusing on individual purity are just masturbation. Get shit done.
I am unconcerned with its popularity. Feminism has NEVER been popular. I think most of the "Well modern feminism is all radical man-haters, but the second wave was great" is bs. The second wave were called radical man haters with just as much vigour.
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suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@SatanBurger The point I was making was that men have a genuine grievance when they see us getting the good bits of equality without the bad.
Are you in the US? I'm in the UK. Our anti-discrimination laws are probably different from yours. I doubt any company here could get away with discriminating against women in the way you describe.
On that last part, that actually may be because of company policy. They don't say "men" directly because of discrimination laws (most businesses find ways around those laws) but some businesses I've worked for won't allow women to lift even if we can.
This checkout operator explicitly said "male" so they clearly weren't concerned about sex discrimination against men. It doesn't really matter whether it's due company policy, it's still highly sexist. We object to sexism that disadvantages us; men are now objecting to sexism that disadvantages them. I find that quite understandable.Are you in the US? I'm in the UK. Our anti-discrimination laws are probably different from yours. I doubt any company here could get away with discriminating against women in the way you describe.
NortiusMaximus · M
@suzie1960
The man who arrived was half the size of the female employee but he, not she, was expected to assist. I think we can be reasonably sure male employees were not paid extra for their additional responsibilities.
Men there should be paid more to account for their additional responsibilities but, if they were, I bet the feminist would soon be up in arms about it. :( As you say, rights without responsibilities. I believe in equality but equality must mean equality.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@suzie1960 I live in the United States but regardless of country it has nothing to do with the law. If people cared about discrimination practices they wouldn't try it in the first place, they also wouldn't do it if they knew they couldn't get away with it. If they had any moral compass.
I don't assume that every business is law abiding... more companies do low down stuff to be honest but you can't prove what you can't see. I've also witnessed that and I've also witnessed people speaking out but then fired. However between your words and the companies it will be the companies hands down.
It's hard to prove because odd stuff happens when I don't have a camera. I keep reminding myself to get a secret camera low key just to have handy but I don't. Then something like that happens and I shoot myself in the foot thinking dang should have gotten that on tape.
But you never know when someone's going to try something stupid and that's the trick.
I don't assume that every business is law abiding... more companies do low down stuff to be honest but you can't prove what you can't see. I've also witnessed that and I've also witnessed people speaking out but then fired. However between your words and the companies it will be the companies hands down.
It's hard to prove because odd stuff happens when I don't have a camera. I keep reminding myself to get a secret camera low key just to have handy but I don't. Then something like that happens and I shoot myself in the foot thinking dang should have gotten that on tape.
But you never know when someone's going to try something stupid and that's the trick.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
I think feminism means different things to different people and so it's impossible to be for or against it. I don't really get the die hards on either side because feminism to me just means human rights but one can also be for human rights and recognize that there's different problems that affect each gender separately. On the male side there's court and legal issues. I could be wrong, so this is just my observation but I hear the courts almost always favor women and male abuse victims especially those of rape are laughed at because we live in a machismo society.
However on the female side, males have never had to fight to be an engineer. I don't remember what decade it was but there was a point in time where brilliant female scientists were nobodies. In school they basically prepped you to be a housewife. Nothing wrong if you want to be one but they should have made those optional classes and not a societal norm. Let's not forget the Magdalene Laundries were some women were locked up because they considered rape a scandal and it wasn't until 1990 that they made marital rape illegal. So if an abuser manipulated a spouse into marrying them, congrats they could rape you because you're property. 1990 wasn't all that long ago.
My fellow feminists in Africa (well they don't call them feminists) but there's an all female tribe because in their part of the country the male can beat his wife and they can't go for help. So this tribe made up of abuse victims gathered together and made their own village. That to me is feminism at its most core, sticking by each other when society shuns and abuses them:
[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrnmBLB-UX4&]
However on the female side, males have never had to fight to be an engineer. I don't remember what decade it was but there was a point in time where brilliant female scientists were nobodies. In school they basically prepped you to be a housewife. Nothing wrong if you want to be one but they should have made those optional classes and not a societal norm. Let's not forget the Magdalene Laundries were some women were locked up because they considered rape a scandal and it wasn't until 1990 that they made marital rape illegal. So if an abuser manipulated a spouse into marrying them, congrats they could rape you because you're property. 1990 wasn't all that long ago.
My fellow feminists in Africa (well they don't call them feminists) but there's an all female tribe because in their part of the country the male can beat his wife and they can't go for help. So this tribe made up of abuse victims gathered together and made their own village. That to me is feminism at its most core, sticking by each other when society shuns and abuses them:
[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrnmBLB-UX4&]
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Northwest · M
I don't believe feminism, has time periods. It's simply about empowering women. The ultimate goal, is equality between the sexes, at every level, with gains (and an occasional step back), every year.
popmol · 26-30, M
its not fighting for the right of woman then they would help in africa. no now its man hating.
IlovePeaches · 22-25, F
there is no clear definition on what feminism is...
so people condemming it and people defending it usually talk abotu 2 totally different thigns while they usually would agree on the actual topic
so people condemming it and people defending it usually talk abotu 2 totally different thigns while they usually would agree on the actual topic

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Graylight · 51-55, F
@SW-User Last word...

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@Graylight Aha! It sunk in. 😁 See I knew you could do it.😉
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SW-User last word...
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
When I went to school I learned to write and how to read
History, geography and home economy
And typing is a skill that every girl is sure to need
To while away the extra time until the time to breed
And then they had the nerve to ask, what would I like to be?
I says, "I'm gonna be an engineer!"
"No, you only need to learn to be a lady
The duty isn't yours, for to try to run the world
An engineer could never have a baby
Remember, dear, that you're a girl"
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[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgzl1Sai4Y0]
History, geography and home economy
And typing is a skill that every girl is sure to need
To while away the extra time until the time to breed
And then they had the nerve to ask, what would I like to be?
I says, "I'm gonna be an engineer!"
"No, you only need to learn to be a lady
The duty isn't yours, for to try to run the world
An engineer could never have a baby
Remember, dear, that you're a girl"
😆
[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgzl1Sai4Y0]

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Primnproper · 56-60, F
Well for me I think you will always have that group that take it too far and it becomes a power struggle of the superior sex, men or women..fact is in some areas men will be in front of us as nature has determined it that way..physical strength being one of the obvious areas. Equality for women is fine but then it should go across the board making no exceptions because we are female, if they want equality give it to them but I guarantee they will then pick and choose where they want the equality and where they dont. Feminism shouldn't be about the emancipation of men..
Graylight · 51-55, F
My thought is that's too broad a term to really discuss. Just as in every age, there's an entire spectrum of feminism. However, I find it's mostly productive and geared toward the equality of the sexes.
CopperCicada · M
I dunno.
It's not one thing.
I mean you've got Hélène Cixous and her écriture féminine. Then you've got materialist 1st wave feminists working on the level of policy. And then you've got the Marxist, existentialist, and phenomenological feminists. 3rd wave and 4th wave feminists. Sex positive feminists. Feminist separatists. There's post structural feminism. Post colonial feminists. Women's spirituality feminists. Black womanist feminism. Ecofeminists.
Sadly it all gets weighed these days by Tumblr posts.
It's not one thing.
I mean you've got Hélène Cixous and her écriture féminine. Then you've got materialist 1st wave feminists working on the level of policy. And then you've got the Marxist, existentialist, and phenomenological feminists. 3rd wave and 4th wave feminists. Sex positive feminists. Feminist separatists. There's post structural feminism. Post colonial feminists. Women's spirituality feminists. Black womanist feminism. Ecofeminists.
Sadly it all gets weighed these days by Tumblr posts.
antonioio · 70-79, M
They are far quicker to express and to stand up for themselves
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
I am a supporter of the woman's movement.....especially when I am behind it.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@sunsporter1649 Ha. Ha.
Wurkoutgurl · 46-50, F
From what I've seen, I consider myself a bit of a feminist, but can't relate the raunchy ways that some have portrayed themselves.
Wurkoutgurl · 46-50, F
@Pherick I am a fighter and demand respect but do it in a classy way. I don't need to wear a vagina hat and scream pussy. I can fight in a much classier way.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@Wurkoutgurl I am glad you are able to be a fighter and stay classy, even if those before you could not have.
Wurkoutgurl · 46-50, F
@Pherick there have been many many women before me that stood up for themselves without being raunchy!

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There are some things modern feminists say that I will agree with. But the other stuff such as mansplaining, I can’t get behind.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@SW-User Should I explain to you how you are wrong about mansplaining? :)

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@Pherick No. Not all feminists believe in this. But some do.
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DarkMoon · 26-30, M
Some of it is redressing wrongs, other elements feel like a cult.
And feminists can be bad advocates for it. I don't blame anyone wanting the best for their own sex, but don't try to shout me down and lecture me when I have a different perspective on certain things.
And feminists can be bad advocates for it. I don't blame anyone wanting the best for their own sex, but don't try to shout me down and lecture me when I have a different perspective on certain things.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Means that women can have it all. Just don't be surprised if some males lose interest .
Prisoner69 · 26-30, M
Don't care really.
Cierzo · M
An awful mix of misandry and puritanism.
bijouxbroussard · F
A lot of it isnt really feminism now. It’s misandry. Feminism originally existed to help make equal rights and opportunities available to women where they weren’t before. Anything suggesting female supremacy is not what the original goals were about. And as long as there are still women in the world who are treated as second class citizens in their countries true feminism (not misandry) will still be relevant.
SerenitiesScars · 36-40, M
Undoing all the work of feminists before their time? Both hilarious and sad at the same time.. xD :/
Goralski · 56-60, M
Hmmmmm they should b less manly
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
tis gay
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
Western feminism is absurd, nothing but a bunch of clowns seeking their 15 minutes of fame; Eastern/Middle Eastern feminism is genuine and I fully support it
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Zonuss · 46-50, M
It serves its purpose well.
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Graylight · 51-55, F
@Emosaur One, while your explanation of the pay gap is accurate, your conclusion isn't. Women still make less, just not as much less as is popularly believed.
Two, discrimination can range from "because you're a girl" to groping to being dismissed in the boardroom or passed over silently for a promotion. Next time you're talking to your female friends, ask them if they feel safe walking alone at night, would sit in a bar alone or consider being called a slut for the same behavior in which men engage acceptable.
Two, discrimination can range from "because you're a girl" to groping to being dismissed in the boardroom or passed over silently for a promotion. Next time you're talking to your female friends, ask them if they feel safe walking alone at night, would sit in a bar alone or consider being called a slut for the same behavior in which men engage acceptable.
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