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I had to ask myself if this was the correct category. Are criminal parents entitled in some way, by any law, able to keep their children .....

.....until it is determined that the children will be safe?

I used to work with drug abusers, and later, with homeless families with children. If a woman came into our shelter and we caught her with drugs or endangering her child in any way, we were required to call CPS or lose our license to operate. Child endangerment could not be tolerated, by law. Protecting children and keeping them safe was our ultimate responsibility. It sucked at times. It certainly wasn't popular. But it was SO much better than allowing a drug addicted mother to escape out a window and take her three year old, after accusing the other residents of the shelter of being the devil. I think, in that instance, you had to examine the actions of the parent, and examine what might happen to the child. In that instance, we never found out. She just disappeared, and only God knows what happened to that three year old little boy. I certainly called CPS when she disappeared....but it was SO unpopular to do that, that I questioned my decision for years afterward. It just haunted me.

All the heartbreak I felt then is coming into play now. How can we keep the children of people who break the law by trying to come into our country illegally safe, and still obey our own laws? Our law is very, very clear. If a parent breaks the law, CPS must take custody, and the children must be placed in a group home if no relative exists who will take the child, or with a close relative who can prove that they are reliable. It sucks so hard it broke my motor.

BUT!!!!!! There is no freaking way that American law breakers are treated any differently than law breakers from anywhere else. Wow. What a concept for todays' age. No special treatment. One rule for all. Immigrants and Americans BOTH have to obey the same law. I know. It just sounds so........alien!!!!

The donkey brained people who are calling group homes for children "concentration camps" almost make me insane, just because I have had to deal with these child issues myself.

If I could go back to the year 2014 when Obama was president and do something to stop those photos we all saw of children lying on the hard ground in cages, I would. But in 2014 I don't remember those photos were ever televised. It was all on the down low. Secret.

In my opinion, the only way to keep these children totally safe is with a state sponsored DNA test. We have coyotes bringing them in to traffic them, claiming to be their parent. We have so called "Aunts and Uncles" showing up to claim them. The kids are threatened and terrified. If I were a little kid and someone told me that if i didn't say they were my father, they would slit my throat.....I think I would lie.

Before these kids are "given back" or "given to" any relative, I want DNA evidence.

We also have a giant posterior orifice psychologist weighing in, saying that these children will suffer permanent lifelong damage because of the stress of what is going on NOW.

I want her to be the same psychologist who has to treat any of these kids who are trafficked.....that's if any of them live.

I mean....the brainlessness...it just boggles me.

Am I wrong there? Maybe I have seen too much "stuff".
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MarkPaul · 26-30, M
You are totally wrong... on a moral level, on a legal level, on a historical level, on a biblical level, on a brainless level, on a partisan level, on a non-partisan level, on a truthful level, and on a humane level.
4meAndyou · F
@MarkPaul That's absolutely sweeping....with no explanation of any sort. To say something SO sweeping, I think you should take at least five minutes and explain WHY you think this way. Even the bible says to render unto Caesar what is Caesars....and that mean obey the danged law. Are you a lawbreaker, or would you like to encourage others to be lawbreakers?
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@4meAndyou We are talking about people who are fleeing in distress and looking for a safe haven. We are looking at a policy by Administration admission via Attorney Jeff Sessions (if you sort through all the deceptive lies by trump) that was implemented (by the Administration) to expressly serve as a deterrence.

If you are caught in the middle of a lava eruption and the only route to safety is to cross on to land on which a sign is posted, "No trespassers. All violators will be shot," do you expect to be shot? And, if you do expect to be shot and you are shot, do you think that action is a moral one that can be supported by an arbitrary biblical verse?
4meAndyou · F
@MarkPaul I think that neither you nor I know the truth of why each and every one of these people, including families with children, or unaccompanied children, or people who are traveling with children who are not theirs, are traveling north from South and Central America. If they are so desperate fleeing a lava eruption, why have they not stopped their travels and settled in Mexico?

Only our judges who are hearing these court cases know the truth of each case, and over 80% of the people who are applying for asylum have been denied as not qualifying under the asylum law.

I commend your heart, and I commend the fact that you care so deeply. You and I both know that this is such a difficult issue it has stymied better minds than ours.

I would also like to draw your attention to what is happening to Angela Merkel in Germany. Her open border policy has created such a crisis in her country that her people are ousting her from government.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@4meAndyou Merkel is firmly in power, she has not been ousted. And, suggesting that because "one thing" might not be working so we should resort to "something else" that literally takes children away from mothers (and fathers) seems uneducated at best and Al-Qaeda-like (or North Korea-like) at worst.

No one (including me) is suggesting the USA open its borders to everyone fleeing. But, don't become animalistic in a quest to be tribal by forgetting some basic human tenets and inalienable values. And, don't abuse the Bible with a smug satisfaction that it supports your evil desires and reminisces of a weak defense during slave trade days. And, don't strip away kids from their parents and then gloat about it.
4meAndyou · F
@MarkPaul Well, when people begin to resort to insults, I suppose that means they really, really want to win. LOL!!!
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@MarkPaul

[quote]You are totally wrong... on a moral level, on a legal level, on a historical level, on a biblical level, on a brainless level, on a partisan level, on a non-partisan level, on a truthful level, and on a humane level.
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So, leave the children in the hands of what may be drug lords, coyotes, mules, and sex traffickers and let them go on their way with a promise to check back in a year?

No. The best interest of the children isn't to just leave them with their parents and let the parent be on their way.
4meAndyou · F
@Heartlander Wuv U!!! LOL!!!