Trump is quick on Twitter when Islamic Terrorists attack ...

@Cierzo Yeah, who's afraid of a little nerve gas ...

So he can only draw attention to one threat? Is there some sort of limit? Like it's either Islamists or earthquake preparedness, but not both?

@Cierzo There are two implications of Skripal and his daughter being poisoned by a Novichok agent. One is that the KGB issued the assassination. The other is that the KGB has lost control of some Novichok agents. If what you're saying is true, that POTUS 45 sees Islamic terror as a bigger threat than Russia-- then he should be VERY concerned about the Skripal case.

@CopperCicada Yep. But as with Syria, if a chemical weapons attack happens ... but we are sure who did it, then it didn't happen.

Love the Russians.... they make the world so much dumber 😂

@CopperCicada There is no evidence yet about who or why Skripal was killed, so the smartest thing is to wait until more facts are provided. The funny thing is that the same people who criticise Trump for talking (tweeting) too much and too fast are now criticising him for the opposite reasons, so I cannot take them at all seriously.

@WoodyAq They are making liberal media and liberals look like paranoid warmongers.

@Cierzo Somebody was killed by a rare nerve agent only available to the Russian government.

They did it and are guilty, or they've lost control of it, and they (and we) should be panicking.

Note that the Russians are not panicking.

@Cierzo Yeah. It's highly concerning when the president won't defend the country. Everyone else has to overreact to get his attention

@Cierzo If sarin was the agent then the field of opportunities would be wide open. Plebs can make sarin.

PM May says Novichok was used. One possibility is that she is bluffing. If not there are two possibilities. A Russian with access to Novichok killed Skripal-- the KGB. The other is that Novichok has gone AWOL.

There is no intellectual reach here. The agent itself is what is damning. It's like the anthrax poisonings in the US some years back. Plebs can make anthrax. Plebs can't weaponize it. That put the aggressor within a few military facilities.

I actually don't understand what is suddenly offensive about the presumption that Russia might neutralize a double agent. That's sort of the game right?

@CopperCicada All the possibilities you name may be true. Personally I don's see what Russia wins if KGB killed Skripal.Even if they did, those who are now in anger about it are not the most suitable ones, looking at the tactics used by CIA, MI6 and Mossad. It stinks of hypocrisy.

@WoodyAq Nobody is panicking, I see loud aggressive voices from countries whose intelligence agencies are the opposite of peaceful, not fear.

@Cierzo I'm not angry about it. I just question how implicating Russia is a reach.

@CopperCicada I meant political leaders like May.

@Cierzo


[quote]He has common sense and see Islamic terrorist is a much bigger threat for American citizens [/quote]

Oh let's not pretend this has anything to do with being sensible.

1) Trump can and [i]does[/i] tweet about every goddamn thing that crosses his mind. You know he doesn't only tweet about the top priority stuff.

2) It's not as if he can't take the time to write 140 characters or less on TWO subjects, right? Or is that too taxing for him?


Excuse rejected.
Case dismissed.

@Cierzo I can appreciate the hypocrisy of the United States and UK bemoaning covert operations in their territories. The US had special ops in 75% of the world's nations last year.

I don't think that changes the factual content. This also goes back to your other thread on boundaries, territory, roots. You'd expect a UK PM to not be outraged by this? with or without concurrent hypocrisy?

@CopperCicada

[quote]I can appreciate the hypocrisy of the United States and UK bemoaning covert operations in their territories[/quote]

lol i know right? A bit of the pot calling the kettle black, there.

@Pikachu Then let's say he chooses his priorities better than Theresa May, who is outraged by the killed Russian spy but not by children mass rapings.

@Cierzo

Why can't we say he's fucking up without trying to shift the focus to someone else?🤷

@CopperCicada I understand her outrage, although coming from her is sheer hypocrisy, not only bearing in mind that British secret services do not work in a different way, but also her lack to outrage towards children mass rapings

@Cierzo What mass child raping are we talking about? There are so many. Not trying to be prick, but there are. By immigrants, or that big pedo ring or what?

@CopperCicada Telford and Rotherham, by Pakistanis.

@Cierzo I thought the deal with Telford and Rotherham was that there was a cover-up of gross mis-management to the highest levels.

What's curious to be about those scandals is that nobody mentions all the parallel cases that involve Pakistani girls. That seems to be off everyone's scales of outrage.

But back to the topic. One can get 2 + 2 = 4 right and still get 2 + 3 = 5 wrong. May is like the rest of them. But she got Skripal et al. right IMHO.

@CopperCicada that is such liberal bullshit 'everyone ignores the parrallel cases with Pakistani girls' - you're inventing stuff to imply anyone talking about the Rotherham scandals etc is racist.

The thing with Rotherham is that similar abuse is coming to light today in similar towns which suggests the reluctance to address the issues for 'cultural' reasons is very much alive.

And Teresa May is a coward and part of the problem. Just as you with your straw Pakistani girls are part of the problem.

@SW-User See. I make no claim that talking about Telford or Rotherham, or any of the other cases-- is racist. Seems there's three decades of this being suppressed.

My comment was:

[quote]What's curious to be about those scandals is that nobody mentions all the parallel cases that involve Pakistani girls. That seems to be off everyone's scales of outrage.[/quote]

So pricks like this abuse their own back home, and I'm the asshole for pointing out they're doing it there too?

@Cierzo Being aggressive against chemical weapons attacks seems like a no-brainer....

@CopperCicada Yes. What aboutism minimises the issue and deflects attention. Note you didn't raise the issue that Pakistani girls also face abuse. You raised the issue that 'nobody' cares about it. A classic straw man.