First frost

@smileylovesgaming It was COLD, thankfully, not too much wind. It was not officially a "killing frost," yet, so the warmer weather we are expecting next week is, technically, not an "indian summer." I know that is no longer politically correct, can someone enlighten me as to what phrase to use?

@samueltyler2 Where was the picture taken? And Indian summer is still ok. It’s nothing more than an expression, not meant to be nor was it, politically incorrect.

@soar2newhighs Indian Summer was based on "indians" lying or changing their minds, so, it is really derogatory.

I live in NJ.

@samueltyler2 Thanks I’ll look that up.

@soar2newhighs if you find a new, PC, description, please let me know. I've asked some people wo have direct contact with Native Americans to see what they think.

I don't find much on searching, but try this:
https://my-ruminations.com/2019/03/31/but-is-it-politically-correct/

Since none of this is written by a NA, i wonder. Why are other things not PC, team names, etc.?

@samueltyler2 will do.

@samueltyler2 From what I’ve seen it refers to late late summer/autumn season when warm weather is prevalent, and that’s not only in America but Europe, too where expressions relate to the late summer.
There apparently is somewhat of a history linking its background to other terms that may well have been deragatory to American and possibly Canadian Indians.

@soar2newhighs that is why I am looking for another easy to use term.

@samueltyler2 Why not simply say “ Great weather!”

@samueltyler2 An Indian summer is a period of unseasonably warm, dry weather that sometimes occurs in autumn in temperate regions of the northern hemisphere during September to November. In an article on the US National Weather Service's website, weather historian William R. Deedler writes that Indian Summer can be defined as "any spell of warm, quiet, hazy weather that may occur in October or November." Several references describe a true Indian Summer as not occurring until after the first frost, or more specifically the first "killing" frost.

@stratosranger yup, but that doesn't deal with my question, is it politically correct, or is it offensive to Native Americans?

@samueltyler2 Much history and Native American heritage here, especially during the American revolution

@soar2newhighs you do know that Washington "won" his rank fighting in the America-Indian Wars.

@samueltyler2 was not aware of that.

@soar2newhighs I am a big fan of studying history. The US government had a direct impact in destroying Native American culture, including a holocaust.

@samueltyler2 I enjoy history and truly enjoy listening to John Bachelor ( now on WOR 710AM 9pm till 12am.) He has great guests who are immersed in history and have written books in their respective fields of study.

@soar2newhighs Oh, my, how I remember WOR, rambling with Gambling, I think maybe even Jean Shepherd was on WOR. It was the go to for if schools were clsoed.