Can I get the definition for "woman" please?

@BlueVeins the point is though if people can not determine what a woman is, how can they try and tell others who is a women or not.
People have warped and twisted sex and identity politics that they dont even know the most basic things or are too afraid to actually say it. Honestly everyone truly knows what a woman is though. people are just scared to say it now

@Torsten The fact that most left-wingers, centrists, & center-righters can identify who is & isn't a woman with ease & use the world competently kinda proves that they [i]can[/i] determine what a word is; the issue is explicitly reciting an airtight definition without thinking about it first, which isn't as important. I mean I probably couldn't give you a perfect definition for 'race' (as in, a person's race) or 'country' without either thinking about it for a minute or so or looking it up, but I can still determine someone's race or identify a country. These things are inherently kinda wishy-wash and contrived because they're socially defined.

@BlueVeins but they cant seem to do that. Some for sure but many can not. Why do you think its such a popular question now? Its because they can not answer it. They know the answer but just wont say it because they have tried twisting and changing the definition of what a woman is.
You should not need a minute to say what a woman is or a man.
It is really not that difficult.
Thank god though that more and more people are waking up and not going along with it anymore. That side has become so radical that it is leaving so many behind

@Torsten There we go again, with the conservative belief that the meanings of words don't change over time. 🤦‍♂️ Hate to break it to you, but support for trans rights is surging among Americans (which, I assume that's where you live if you're watching the Babylon Bee lol).

@BlueVeins just because some people want to change the meaning of certain words, does not make it a reality. Sorry to break that to you. That is not a conservative belief. That is just common belief really.
I only just found the babylon bee today. I did not search for it or anything like that. Just happened upon it by accident and thought it was funny. I had no idea it was some well known thing.
Trans rights is a common thing is a lot of places now. I have no issue with that. I take issue on made up words like "cisgender" being thrown at the majority of people so that trans people dont feel like they are not normal. I take issue with people trying to change what a man or a women is.
If trans people are women or men always, why the need to even call them trans in the first place? because you can not be transgender without transition. That is what transgender actually means of course.
So as far as I feel the word 'woman" has nothing to do with going against trans people in any way. Instead it is just devaluing women

@Torsten [quote]just because some people want to change the meaning of certain words, does not make it a reality.[/quote]

Words aren't some facet of objective reality; they're tools that we humans choose to use to convey ideas, and those words are most useful when everyone has the same understanding of what they mean. "Correct" definitions of words are a matter of consensus; we tell people to use the most common definitions of words because that's how you speak in a way that's easiest to understand. Consensus changes over time though, which results in the definitions of words changing over time.

And that's why 'awful' now means "really bad" and 'bully' now means "aggressive, malignant person." It's silly to argue otherwise.

[quote]I take issue on made up words like "cisgender" being thrown at the majority of people so that trans people dont feel like they are not normal.[/quote]

How do you think words even form? They're not handed down from Heaven on emerald tablets or some shit lol. [i]All[/i] words are made up somewhere down the line, babe. Every single one. And look, 'cisgender' actually has a really useful purpose; it just means someone who identifies as the same gender as their sex. The etymology is correct, too; 'cis' means "on this side," while 'trans' means "across." If you're triggered by trans ppl making fun of cis ppl online, that's fine honestly and I get it, but no need to cloak it in some horseshit about words being eternal and stagnant.

@BlueVeins the definition for words matter. You can not just change the definition of words so that it fits with your agenda. That is not how this works

Cisgender has one purpose and that is a label attached to anyone that is not trans. that is bullshit right there and was coined in 1995 if I am correct by one transgender person. So that one person made up a word and people just attach it on the majority of people and expect everyone to just accept it? again that is not how this works. It certainly does not help that Cisgender is used as a slur against people now.
People can make fun of cis ppl all they like. cis people are not real because there is no such thing as cisgender in the first place.
The majority either goes by male or female.
The ego on people to actually think you can label people with shit like that is ridiculous

and will lastly say, the people who call others cisgender are the same people always crying about others not respecting their pro nouns and so on yet show zero respect to the majority who do not accept that label of cisgender. It is total hypocrisy

@Torsten K so the word 'cisgender' has been around for 27 years then. How long exactly does it take for a word to become valid?

@BlueVeins and i have been around for 35 and do not accept at 8 years old, I had a label of being "cisgender" attached to me all of a sudden.
A word can become valid pretty fast but again the majority of people do not accept it or even know what it is. Seems to be just a thing for those well in identity politics and them alone

@Torsten Like it or not, everyone has labels attached to them. You're a white man, I am too. Some people are gamers or bikers or fashionistas; and Hell, a lotta people make fun of all those people. Labels can be troublesome because people will use them to convey sectarian messages about [i]any[/i] group they dislike. And by the way, this applies [i]one hundred times more[/i] for marginalized groups like black people, immigrants or gay people. But we don't get rid of words just because some people use them in mean ways. If you want to fight sectarianism, go to the source of the problem and try addressing that.

A lot of trans people are kinda bitter towards cisgender people and will use the term derisively, and they do that because they've been systemically mistreated by a society that was overwhelmingly built by cisgender folks. If you want Tumblrinas to give up their little rhetorical war against the cis people, you're infinitely better off fighting systemic transphobia instead.

@BlueVeins umm people do get rid of words because people are "mean" that is why you hear people say "the N word" or "the F word" instead of what they actually are. Sorry mate but you're incorrect.
Cisgender is not a real thing. When the majority of people reject it, it will never be a real thing. A small majority will use it but it will be like teens trying to use a word they make up and feel cool for doing it when the rest of the world dont care or acknowledge it.
I do really enjoy that made up word shows the hypocrisy of those who use it though. That I find hilarious.