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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@carpediem The 1st Amendment by going after campus protesters and threatening to withhold funds from public universities that refused to shut down peaceful demonstrations. He also tried targeting law firms that represented clients he didn't like in order to silence them.
The 4th Amendment by allowing ICE agents to arrest and detain people without probable cause and without a warrant.
The 5th and 6th Amendments when Trump tried to argue that due process doesn't apply to illegal immigrants. He also invoked war-time legislation to end due process for "alien enemies" based on the absolute flimsiest allegations that the men arrested were in fact gang members. Most of those men weren't found with any guns, drugs, stolen goods, or had any known criminal record.
The 14th Amendment by trying to end birthright citizenship and by again arguing that federal protections don't apply to illegal immigrants.
The 22nd Amendment is at risk given Trump floating the idea of running for a third term. He literally sold 'Trump 2028' merch from a gift shop in the White House.
The 4th Amendment by allowing ICE agents to arrest and detain people without probable cause and without a warrant.
The 5th and 6th Amendments when Trump tried to argue that due process doesn't apply to illegal immigrants. He also invoked war-time legislation to end due process for "alien enemies" based on the absolute flimsiest allegations that the men arrested were in fact gang members. Most of those men weren't found with any guns, drugs, stolen goods, or had any known criminal record.
The 14th Amendment by trying to end birthright citizenship and by again arguing that federal protections don't apply to illegal immigrants.
The 22nd Amendment is at risk given Trump floating the idea of running for a third term. He literally sold 'Trump 2028' merch from a gift shop in the White House.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@TinyViolins Campus protesters who have threatened Jewish students you mean. Intimidation can't be allowed on campus. All students need to be treated respectfully. If a university can't keep their students safe and allow supporters of terrorists to intimidate others, then Federal funding needs to stop immediately. So you're dead wrong on item #1. It has nothing to do with the 1st amendment.
Wrong on the second item. You arrest criminals. Illegals are here.....illegally. That makes them criminals from the fist day they came into the country. The operative word here is "illegally". That is has nothing to do with the 4th amendment. They snuck in and now need to be deported. So item #2 you're so wrong on. It's really the main reason Trump got elected in the first place. Biden was an open borders disaster. You need to start paying attention kid.
Your next items is even more ridiculous than the last. Breaking into the country is an illegal act. Getting arrested for it is a record. It doesn't matter if they have guns, drugs or whatever. They came into the country illegally. That is a criminal act. Can't you think?
I agree about birthright citizenship. But it needs to end. But at the moment, anyone born in the US is a citizen. That's one of the draws to people breaking the law to come here. It needs to end. There shouldn't be a reward for breaking into the country. Do it legally. Then your offspring can become a citizen. Do illegally, and no citizenship. I hope he's successful in overturning it.
Trump won't run for a third term. But it's funnier than hell when he teases morons like Newsom and apparently you about a 3rd term. Most of us are laughing at your gullibility. Even funnier are the Trump 2028 hats. You people are a laughable riot. Thanks for the entertainment. 😄
Wrong on the second item. You arrest criminals. Illegals are here.....illegally. That makes them criminals from the fist day they came into the country. The operative word here is "illegally". That is has nothing to do with the 4th amendment. They snuck in and now need to be deported. So item #2 you're so wrong on. It's really the main reason Trump got elected in the first place. Biden was an open borders disaster. You need to start paying attention kid.
Your next items is even more ridiculous than the last. Breaking into the country is an illegal act. Getting arrested for it is a record. It doesn't matter if they have guns, drugs or whatever. They came into the country illegally. That is a criminal act. Can't you think?
I agree about birthright citizenship. But it needs to end. But at the moment, anyone born in the US is a citizen. That's one of the draws to people breaking the law to come here. It needs to end. There shouldn't be a reward for breaking into the country. Do it legally. Then your offspring can become a citizen. Do illegally, and no citizenship. I hope he's successful in overturning it.
Trump won't run for a third term. But it's funnier than hell when he teases morons like Newsom and apparently you about a 3rd term. Most of us are laughing at your gullibility. Even funnier are the Trump 2028 hats. You people are a laughable riot. Thanks for the entertainment. 😄
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@carpediem Saying they were threatening Jews is just a way of subverting the narrative. If you actually listened to the protests or even reports from the protests, there was literally only one protestor at Columbia who made a threat against Jewish student.
But assuming that some present did make threats, Trump didn't actually go after the people making the threats or try to charge them with hate crimes, assuming there even were any. He's just choosing to take away everyone's rights based on the alleged and unproven actions of a few.
I mean, Trump wouldn't even send the National Guard after J6 protesters loudly chanted 'Hang Mike Pence'. That was a direct threat to the Vice President of the US and he chose to pardon those people.
The 14th Amendment grants equal protection under the law to "persons" in the US, not citizens. It has already been ruled in court numerous times that undocumented immigrants do in fact have the same constitutional rights as citizens.
The 4th Amendment is valid because ICE doesn't know who is an illegal immigrant and who isn't in most cases. They are detaining everybody in massive sweeps without warrants and without probable causes in these cases. They are arresting citizens for days or weeks at a time on bogus obstruction charges that get tossed out of court almost immediately.
Courts have already ruled that ICE was violating the 4th Amendment in Gonzalez v. ICE when they arrested and flagged a US citizen for deportation.
The Alien Enemies Act had nothing to do with whether or not they were criminals. It was about Trump denying them their due process and access to legal counsel protected by the 6th Amendment after accusing them without evidence of being violent gang members
But assuming that some present did make threats, Trump didn't actually go after the people making the threats or try to charge them with hate crimes, assuming there even were any. He's just choosing to take away everyone's rights based on the alleged and unproven actions of a few.
I mean, Trump wouldn't even send the National Guard after J6 protesters loudly chanted 'Hang Mike Pence'. That was a direct threat to the Vice President of the US and he chose to pardon those people.
The 14th Amendment grants equal protection under the law to "persons" in the US, not citizens. It has already been ruled in court numerous times that undocumented immigrants do in fact have the same constitutional rights as citizens.
The 4th Amendment is valid because ICE doesn't know who is an illegal immigrant and who isn't in most cases. They are detaining everybody in massive sweeps without warrants and without probable causes in these cases. They are arresting citizens for days or weeks at a time on bogus obstruction charges that get tossed out of court almost immediately.
Courts have already ruled that ICE was violating the 4th Amendment in Gonzalez v. ICE when they arrested and flagged a US citizen for deportation.
The Alien Enemies Act had nothing to do with whether or not they were criminals. It was about Trump denying them their due process and access to legal counsel protected by the 6th Amendment after accusing them without evidence of being violent gang members
carpediem · 61-69, M
@TinyViolins I think you're entirely confused. Your first statement in itself tells the story. Plenty of Jewish students were being threatened by "protestors" upset about the Gaza situation. That can't be allowed. Not even one. You have your head in the sand and until you pull it out, there is no need to even have this discussion. How can I prove that Jewish students were harassed when you're completely blind to reality? A couple historic examples for you below.
University of Mississippi (1962)
In September 1962, James Meredith became the first African American student to enroll at the University of Mississippi (Ole Miss). When a white mob rioted on campus to prevent his registration, President Kennedy deployed federal troops to restore order and ensure his safety.
University of Alabama (1963)
In June 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace stood in the doorway of a university building to block two Black students, Vivian Malone and James Hood, from registering. In response, President Kennedy federalized the Alabama National Guard, forcing Wallace to step aside and allowing the students to enroll.
Your anti-everything rhetoric rings hollow kid. Illegal is illegal. Protestors who harass and intimidate minority students are not what America is all about. Coming into the country illegally means you get deported. All the rest of your rhetoric as I said, rings hollow. Gonzalez v ICE happened in 20212 kid. With the borders closed, that crap won't happen any more.
University of Mississippi (1962)
In September 1962, James Meredith became the first African American student to enroll at the University of Mississippi (Ole Miss). When a white mob rioted on campus to prevent his registration, President Kennedy deployed federal troops to restore order and ensure his safety.
University of Alabama (1963)
In June 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace stood in the doorway of a university building to block two Black students, Vivian Malone and James Hood, from registering. In response, President Kennedy federalized the Alabama National Guard, forcing Wallace to step aside and allowing the students to enroll.
Your anti-everything rhetoric rings hollow kid. Illegal is illegal. Protestors who harass and intimidate minority students are not what America is all about. Coming into the country illegally means you get deported. All the rest of your rhetoric as I said, rings hollow. Gonzalez v ICE happened in 20212 kid. With the borders closed, that crap won't happen any more.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@carpediem You're the one confused. They reported feeling threatened, not being actually threatened (with the exception of that one protestor at Columbia). And even if they were actually threatened by someone there, which is a hate crime that you would have to prove, you go after the individual in question, not the entire campus.
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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@carpediem Did you completely skip over the part about going after the individual in question?
If feeling threatened is enough to violate a constitutional right, then let's take away all guns because people feel afraid of sending their kids to school. If students can't go to class without a complete guarantee of their safety, we should stop selling arms. Are you starting to now see the ridiculousness of your premise?
If feeling threatened is enough to violate a constitutional right, then let's take away all guns because people feel afraid of sending their kids to school. If students can't go to class without a complete guarantee of their safety, we should stop selling arms. Are you starting to now see the ridiculousness of your premise?
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carpediem · 61-69, M
@Firewarrior Yes you can. The administrators can't allow discrimination in any form. Is that too difficult to understand? In doing so, they lose their federal funding. The students aren't punished, the school budget is. No one should desire to attend a university that allows discrimination. If they want to retain funding, they don't allow discriminatory actions.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@carpediem I'm curious what specific violent threats are being made towards Jewish students at these protests? For all your insistence that these protestors are threatening students on campus, I have yet to find examples actually taking place at these demonstrations aside from the one I mentioned
If you're going to revoke a constitutional right and threaten to remove funding, there has to be some kind of evidence justifying it. All I hear are politically motivated accusations that cannot be sustained
If you're going to revoke a constitutional right and threaten to remove funding, there has to be some kind of evidence justifying it. All I hear are politically motivated accusations that cannot be sustained
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@carpediem If you can't prove your claims, your entire argument falls apart. The only basis you have for withholding funding is unproven allegations.
Either we have a government that protects freedom of speech or our constitution means absolutely nothing. Intentionally conflating anti-Zionism with antisemitism is a cheap trick meant to control a narrative and you've clearly fallen for it
Either we have a government that protects freedom of speech or our constitution means absolutely nothing. Intentionally conflating anti-Zionism with antisemitism is a cheap trick meant to control a narrative and you've clearly fallen for it
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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@carpediem Here are direct quotes from actual Jewish students on campus protests
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/7/meet-the-jewish-students-speaking-to-us-lawmakers-about-columbias-protests
“There’s so much in the media narrative about what’s happening on Columbia campus that is just disingenuous and just so untrue to what we’ve experienced,” Beckwith-Cohen said.
“So we’re here today to tell our Congress people that what we’re seeing on campus is clearly an authoritarian, fascist crackdown on all dissent, not only students peacefully advocating for an end to genocide.”
“So we’re here today to tell our Congress people that what we’re seeing on campus is clearly an authoritarian, fascist crackdown on all dissent, not only students peacefully advocating for an end to genocide.”
“Jewish students are being used as pawns in Trump’s political agenda,” she said. “And the weaponisation of anti-Semitism to dismantle this movement is not just a threat to Jewish students; it’s a threat to all of us. That’s why it is so important for us as Jewish students to directly correct this false narrative.”
“We’re talking to members of Congress to tell them our stories that are left out of mainstream news,” Borus told Al Jazeera.
“Trump’s mission is not about protecting Jewish students. It is about using fears of anti-Semitism – because of the way that the Gaza solidarity encampment was portrayed last year – in order to target non-citizen student activists, in order to target academic freedom, free speech, and really put many, many people in danger.”
“Trump’s mission is not about protecting Jewish students. It is about using fears of anti-Semitism – because of the way that the Gaza solidarity encampment was portrayed last year – in order to target non-citizen student activists, in order to target academic freedom, free speech, and really put many, many people in danger.”
“It’s normal in college to encounter new viewpoints, new perspectives. That’s how I became more pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist,” he said. “I initially felt uncomfortable when I encountered anti-Zionist views, but then I grew to understand them. That’s normal.”
Raphie stressed that the real suffering is happening in Gaza.
“The students who are not safe right now, of course, are the students in Gaza. Every university in Gaza has been destroyed. They haven’t had food for 60 days.”
Raphie stressed that the real suffering is happening in Gaza.
“The students who are not safe right now, of course, are the students in Gaza. Every university in Gaza has been destroyed. They haven’t had food for 60 days.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/7/meet-the-jewish-students-speaking-to-us-lawmakers-about-columbias-protests