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Believe it not the Steam Power Era was even better for the environment & did less pollution then then this AI Power Era

Yes, I like to go down rabbit holes and all this this can be found on-line (Just like I found it)


The steam power era generally had a lower environmental impact compared to the current AI data center era, which is characterized by high electricity demands and significant water consumption, leading to increased carbon emissions and strain on local resources. In contrast, steam power primarily relied on coal and had localized pollution effects, but the scale and intensity of modern data centers contribute to broader environmental challenges.

And in a documented phenomenon known as regulatory capture, where corporations use their financial power to shape laws in their favor, often at the expense of the public and the environment. The evidence from 2025 and 2026 confirms that Microsoft, Google, Amazon, and others are actively deploying massive financial resources to secure favorable treatment, suppress opposition, and bypass environmental safeguards.

The scale of financial influence is unprecedented. In 2025 alone, the four largest cloud providers spent tens of millions of dollars on federal lobbying, with the broader electric manufacturing and equipment sector pouring over $226 million into lobbying activities to support data center growth.

Legislative Influence: More than 200 entities lobbied in just one quarter (April–June 2026) on bills related to data center energy use, ratepayer protections, and moratoriums. Companies like Meta and Google have specifically lobbied on the Ratepayer Protection Act to shape regulations before they are even passed.

Campaign Donations: Big Tech firms have made significant contributions to Political Action Committees (PACs) and inaugural funds (e.g., $1 million donations to the Trump inaugural fund by Amazon and others) to "cozy up" to administrations and avoid antitrust or environmental scrutiny.

Image Campaigns: Companies are spending millions on PR campaigns (e.g., Meta’s $5 million TV ad blitz) to portray data centers as job creators, often targeting policymakers rather than locals, to counter growing public opposition

Corporations have successfully lobbied for billions in tax breaks and subsidies, often with little oversight or return on investment for communities.

The "Fiscal Impact" Lie: States were promised "no significant fiscal impact" when granting tax exemptions, but audits in 2026 revealed billions in lost revenue. For example, Amazon and Microsoft facilities in states like Texas and Ohio operate under 50-year exemptions that cost states hundreds of millions annually while employing very few permanent staff (often just 20–30 people per 100 MW).

Subsidy Reversal: The scale of these giveaways has triggered a backlash. By mid-2026, states like Illinois, Arizona, North Carolina, and Ohio began pausing or repealing these tax breaks after realizing they were subsidizing water and energy consumption for companies that were driving up utility bills for residents.

Federal Handouts: Legislation like the "One Big Beautiful Bill" (H.R. 1–119th Congress) provided gargantuan federal tax breaks and grants specifically to accelerate data center construction, effectively socializing the infrastructure costs while privatizing the profits.

Perhaps most critically, corporations are using their influence to secure water rights and hide consumption data.

Water Secrecy: Tech giants have lobbied aggressively to keep water usage data secret, arguing that disclosure would help competitors or pose security risks. In California, Governor Gavin Newsom vetoed a bill requiring water reporting after intense industry opposition. Similarly, in Georgia, companies fought to keep water usage data redacted from public records.

Legislative Weakening: In Utah, new legislation (HB60) passed in 2026 reduced the ability of citizens to protest water rights transfers, a move critics say was designed to facilitate the Stratos data center project despite risks to the Great Salt Lake.

Bypassing Protections: In Oregon, lobbyists pushed for federal land transfers (HR 655) to bypass environmental reviews, allowing companies to secure cheap water and land without standard oversight.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
I share your concern with the massive AI (and pseudo-currency) demands, and the way a few ginat US corporations can get away with anyhting they demand.

However, the comparison with the "steam era" is not quite as it seems.

The coal-fired era may have had less impact overall, say, 100 years ago when coal was still the primary industrial, transport and domestic fuel; but we have to remember that the world's population was far lower than now; and a far smaller proportion of that population depended on using coal; directly or indirectly.

The effect of an artificially raised carbon-dioxide level in the atmosphere was already being warned of, but based on contemporary coal use and predicted to have little impact until much later than now in this, the 21st , Century. By which time, it seemed, it was thought Science and Engineering would have solved the world's problems... so the warnings were ignored in favour of designing engines for petroleum derivatives.

Yes; their efficiency is far greater than a coal-fired equivalent, but no-one could have foreseen the massive growth in them. Nor the fashion in the 1950 especially, in some countries, for making petrol cars as inefficient as possible - a fashion now seen as outmoded although some motorists still cling romantically to it.

Coal may have had less environmental impact overall a century ago by scale of use, but that advantage was lost by its relatively low efficiency. It is around 30% efficient as an electricity generating fuel. Typically around 10% for transport - by a steam locomotive in good condition, using good coal and operated skilfully (shown by minimal visible smoke for most of the time).

It was horrendously inefficient and polluting when burnt in home fireplaces (maybe 5%?).

Its smoke lead to the common urban problem of dangerously unhealthy "smog" (portmanteau of "smoke" and "fog"); hence eventually in Britain at least, the Clean Air Act.


I don't know the percentage comparisons for i.c-engined transport but a modern Diesel-powered lorry or car is far cleaner and more efficient than its equivalents of only fifty years previously. It still emits carbon-dioxide though.


I share your concerns about the rapacious data-centres, and I would go futher and ask what if any genuine value they have, opposed merely to making vast sums of money for a few very wealthy IT-Company owners.

On top of enviromental factors I would suggest these, and arguably much of the Internet generally and the few huge companies who have taken it over, pose a gigantic and growing security risk: all very big eggs in one basket. In extremis, the threat of exploding nuclear-fusion bombs over major cities is so old-fashioned if far greater havoc for far less risk to the attacker could be gained by massive hacking and the physical destruction of a few computer sheds and sea-bed cables.
WillaKissing · 61-69, M
I believe it!

There was not the Plastic corruption of our air land a waterway's back then either.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
I would add this concept to the big corps greed and control as well as far as the monstrosity data centers are concerned

https://similarworlds.com/automation/artificial-intelligence/5636184-AI-Corporations-Modern-day-pusher-man
AdmiralPrune · 46-50, M
I like your enthusiasm, but if you ever appreciated just how much coal was burned to create the steam needed, you might think again.
AdmiralPrune · 46-50, M
@WillaKissing No but we were hunting whales for their oil to light our homes, felling forests to build ships, and destroying whole flocks of birdlife with the smog our cities generated through burning coal. Soot would build in the air until it was heavy enough and then fall like snow.

It’s a nice idea. But it comes from a lack of understanding.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
@AdmiralPrune almost none of today's tech or so called green energy technologies can be made without oil. Plus they are not recycle friendly and the batteries are toxic when disposed. The so called clean energy is masked by the untold truth
AdmiralPrune · 46-50, M
@Gibbon I’m aware.

 
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