Anyone remember the moving poem Amanda Gorman wrote and

@SumKindaMunster Could it be that the demonocrats are losing their grip on eddukation?

@sunsporter1649 Hm I just think its interesting how some people just go along with the culture du jour without looking into the issue and getting perspective and context.

Yeah for some people this sounds bad, but to a lot of people, this sounds refreshing..finally someone is standing up to these ridiculous people and their victim and oppression complexes.

@SumKindaMunster so children under thirteen are too young for inspirational prose?
What if one parent, a Buddhist maybe, took offense to the display of the ten commandments in the schools?
How about tom sawyer? What if one parent took offense to that? Would these be met with the same action?
I kinda, sorta doubt it.

@Carla [quote]so children under thirteen are too young for inspirational prose?[/quote]

It had more to do with adult themes and political ideas as opposed to inspirational prose.

[quote]What if one parent, a Buddhist maybe, took offense to the display of the ten commandments in the schools?[/quote]

They could file a complaint just like this parent did and have it reviewed. I'm not sure this is such a good example, "Buddhists" typically aren't bothered by other religions in my experience.

[quote]How about tom sawyer? What if one parent took offense to that? Would these be met with the same action? [/quote]

Possibly. I recall distinctly both this and Huckleberry Finn being banned due to a particular characters name that was considered pejorative in contemporary society.

[quote]I kinda, sorta doubt it.
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I kinda, sorta think you have a pretty rigid worldview and you don't care to consider things that challenge it.

@SumKindaMunster ya know, i was speaking with my good friend an hour or so ago. An old school republican. She likely would be considered a rino now.
We were speaking of this exact subject. That and the right's war against my community. She is appalled by the current direction her party has headed.
And i told here that i have become cynical. Call it rigid, if you choose.
You know full well that in certain states, lgbtq and other minorities are being quieted.

@Carla [quote]That and the right's war against my community.[/quote]

I'm sorry you choose to view it that way. I might be more sympathetic if the left wasn't as bad or worse when it comes to identity politics.

[quote]You know full well that in certain states, lgbtq and other minorities are being quieted.
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I know no such thing. I see the media, Hollywood, the Democrats and left wing PACs all championing minority rights to the point of absurdity. Then if there is some push back, you all choose to disingenuously talk about it, and use propaganda to weaponize opposition to it. This post is a great example. You are choosing to only consider one extreme, biased side of this. Nobody is interested in compromise or consensus, its all about being correct, or thinking and believing the "correct" things.

The main reason so much of this is happening right now is due to the rigidity of the left and their unwillingness to be flexible. They act just like the extreme right these days, they just choose different, but no less ruinous, obsessions.

@SumKindaMunster so...teachers are quieted, doctors are afraid to treat women in dire straights, history is being quieted(must not make kids think they're what? At fault?)

As far as the lgbtq community, what compromise do you propose? We all hide indoors so you can't see us? We shouldn't have the same rights as everyone? Jane has two dads, but her friend Arnold can't ask the teacher about it?

And do tell...why would there be pushback regarding human/civil rights?

@Carla

@Carla [quote]so...teachers are quieted, doctors are afraid to treat women in dire straights, history is being quieted(must not make kids think they're what? At fault?) [/quote]

Yeah meanwhile parents are quieted, kids are shamed because of your obsession with identity politics and the notion that people who are being supported by the Democratic party, 90% of the media, all of Hollywood, and most of Academia are somehow being "silenced".

[quote]As far as the lgbtq community, what compromise do you propose? We all hide indoors so you can't see us? We shouldn't have the same rights as everyone? Jane has two dads, but her friend Arnold can't ask the teacher about it?
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Don't be dramatic. You do have the same rights as everyone else. No one is taking that away. Should a teacher have more influence and decide what to teach a child over their parent(s)? Why is it the educations system responsibility to teach about homosexuality and transgenderism? A parent has no say in that? They can't go to their elected officials and ask them to put a stop to it, since complaints and protests are ignored?

[quote]And do tell...why would there be pushback regarding human/civil rights?[/quote]

Because its promoting "change" and that is the crux of the right, to resist change and keep things the same. That's why the extreme right is "reactionary" and the extreme left is "revolutionary".

It's the lefts job to promote and affect change in a way that doesn't provoke the right to become reactionary. You've clearly failed at this, and the things that are upsetting you are a consequence of the left's disinterest in compromise and consensus and instead promoting quasi Marxists ideals and identity politics.

@SumKindaMunster and look at the pushback because of one beer can.
Or one photo. Or a few pride positive tshirts.
So yes. The attempt to silence and push back to shadows is loud and so hateful.

And your parents rights noise is just that. If parents have no desire to teach their children that people live differently than they themselves do, and it's okay, those children will grow up with the same fear and hatred of the "other" as do those parents.
And two men holding hands, or raising children, or trans people just living in the open, is too provocative to the right. You know it, i know it.
How does one compromise on the right to live as one sees fit, if it doesn't affect you?

@Carla [quote]The attempt to silence and push back to shadows is loud and so hateful[/quote]

Question for you. If you chose to not log into your social media apps or watch/read the news...would you still feel this way? You go out and walk around your neighborhood or community? If so, what do you see? You see what you are writing about, or do you see people of all sizes, shapes, colors and religions getting along and going about their day?

[quote]And your parents rights noise is just tha[/quote]

Don't agree and I am sure if schools started teaching creationism again, you would suddenly have a problem with it...but because these teachers are pushing things you care about...its the parents who are wrong...

[quote]And two men holding hands, or raising children, or trans people just living in the open, is too provocative to the right. You know it, i know i[/quote]

No, I don't know that, and have told you I don't agree with your worldview. Do you understand?

[quote]How does one compromise on the right to live as one sees fit, if it doesn't affect you?[/quote]

That's a question for both the extreme left and right. It's interesting you make this giant fuss about gay rights, but don't care to hold transgender activists accountable for their divisiveness even though they promote hate, use derogatory terms for others and don't tolerate differences..

@SumKindaMunster show me how trans people provoke hatred. And how do they not tolerate differences when 99.95 percent of living people are different from them. And a large portion of that 99.95 percent think that they should have no right to be what and who they are. Some believe they should die for it.

If i didn't go online, if i didn't read the news, yes...i would feel the hate. I feel it often. I have throughout my lifetime.
Shall i give you examples?
And just so you know, the hatred has always been there. When i was younger, it was loud. It quieted. Now it is not only loud, but intrusive.
You have no clue.

@Carla [quote] show me how trans people provoke hatred.[/quote]

1. Transgender activists insist on using the term "cisgender" to describe those not like them even though terms already exist to describe people who don't identify as transgendered.

2. Transgender activists have "cancelled" JK Rowling for not subscribing to transgender beliefs. Mind you, she doesn't have a problem with transgender people, she just doesn't care to parrot their beliefs. The level of ire and hatred directed towards her is mind boggling.

3. Transgender activists at Netflix. attempted to shut down Dave Chappelle comments about transgenders in one of his comedy specials.

4. Transgenders born male, will identify as female and gave special priveleges in this sport. If it continues as it is going, women's sports will be a thing of the past.

[quote]Shall i give you examples?
And just so you know, the hatred has always been there. When i was younger, it was loud. It quieted. Now it is not only loud, but intrusive.
You have no clue.[/quote]

I'd be interested in hearing about it, if you want to discuss it.

If this is some defensive mechanism where you throw stuff like this in my face and claim I don't understand and have no right to comment, then forget it.

@SumKindaMunsteroops...

There is nothing hateful about this 40 year old term.

Attempts to quiet two people were unsuccessful, as they should be.
Laws are being passed to quiet and hide an entire population.

Women's sports will be fine.

I would not throw anything in your face.
My struggles are my own. But you have every right to comment if I choose to air them.

Here is one thing...
Right before the holiday weekend, my partner and I were in the grocery store picking up some things. We were at the produce and she said across the isle, "hey babe, do we need garlic?" not two seconds later, one of two guys near us said, without pause, and loudly.." fucking fags" (calling women "fags" makes me chuckle, which i did). Now, I am not one to be affected by this garbage, but others are.
This is of the lesser problems, but feeling that hatred gives one a cynical opinion about those with differing "opinions".

@SumKindaMunster i don't know what influence those guys held. But people of influence gave them permission to air their hatred.
Strange how in my younger years, i often had to deal with hateful idiots. Then, things began to change. If people were thinking hateful thoughts, they kept them quiet. Then, people of influence spoke in those hateful and divisive terms. Then again, it has given hateful people permission to be loud. And they are being loud and divisive about things that do not affect them in any way.

I see you commenting about target and other businesses doing what they do.
Why does a tshirt with a rainbow on it offend so many so much, to the point of violent threats?
Every February and March, stores hawk green hats and items with shamrocks on them. I am neither catholic nor irish. Should i be offended?

@Carla [quote]But people of influence gave them permission to air their hatred. [/quote]

People who hate don't need or look for "permission" to do so. They are gonna do it for any reason.

I'm not sure I agree with your premise, it could be confirmation bias.

However, to reiterate, you should not have to feel threatened or disrespected by some losers while you and your partner are grocery shopping. I feel that way about any bullying.

[quote]Why does a tshirt with a rainbow on it offend so many so much, to the point of violent threats[/quote]

My understanding is the triggering item was a bathing suit for children that included a "tuck" for a transgender child. That's the trigger, you start messing with people's kids and trying to tell them what to believe will get you this kind of pushback.

@SumKindaMunster what upsets me about this is that the parent, Daily Salinas, first of all misattributed to Oprah Winfrey, and secondly was known to have attended Proud Boys rallies.

It seems she's not worried about the content of the poem; rather, she is worried about the skin color of the person who wrote it (plus, all Black people clearly look the same to her).

@SW-User Hm, well that is unfortunate, but if we are talking about the same issue, it was her right as a parent to question what her kids were being taught.

This is a big trigger for traditional people, you don't tell them what you can teach their children.

Curious about your source? Is it legit?

Making it about "the children" is garbage.

@SumKindaMunster Well, to that I say, why bother with teachers then? Homeschool your child (which I think will make things worse).

And there are many sources mentioning her misattribution and her Proud Boys links.

@Carla Well that's unfortunate, but the only distinction I see is the size...some kids wear adult sizes, so claiming it was "only" for kids sizes is kind of misdirection here. Target can say that their label claimed that, but the reality is that they would sell it to anyone...kids or adults, how they chose to market it, is not really the issue.

Seriously, you are dismissing parents' concerns about their children?

That's surprising and disappointing to read. Assuming you don't have kids, but if you did...is that what you would want for your kids? Being told what they should be exposed to, or believe? I'm sure if someone tried to teach your kids creationism, you'd have a real problem with that.

@SW-User A lot of parents are either homeschooling their kids or sending them to theological schools so they aren't exposed to this stuff.

@SumKindaMunster And that, I think, is extremely bad for them. They are not being exposed to real life. They are being exposed to their parents' worldview only; or worse, are being sent to theological schools where they deal in fantasy.

@SW-User I don't think its quite that bad, but I agree in the long run its probably not good for them. This is how strongly some parents feel about the issue.