People called Obama deporter in chief and criticized his processes which the criticism was fair. The difference however is Trump is extreme and have stripped away due process for many. Obama was still wrong on some accounts and our system needs to be fixed in a way that is different from traditionally doing it. However Obama and Trump differ widely even though both can be criticized.
Did ice (under Obama) have the same hiring process where a reporter got hired within 6 minutes and they didn't do a background check or a drug check? Did he have ice go door to door asking for papers from US citizens? Did he deport a little girl going through brain cancer and then claim pro life values? Did ice execute a woman driving away under Obama?
Did he have ice agents break into houses and point guns at families heads while stealing their money?
If you go to the link at the top of this article (it's in the first paragraph you can click on the first hyperlink within the text,) there's video of an agent calling the motherv and saying "to get out fkking stupid" while pointing a gun and she says I have my baby.
In a different article but talking about the same incident, the mother goes on to say it was mistaken identity and even after the agents determined that it was the wrong identity they took her money while she begged to keep it because her husband was away and she needed it to feed her kids. The ice agents then told her she may get it back in 1 ro 4 months.
@SatanBurger if due process was being violated in the case of deportations, civil rights attorneys would be crawling over one another to take the cases. They are simply being told to leave the country and the tax payer foots the bill for their transportation.
Now...if the illegal alien commits a crime and is facing prosecution, then due process applies.
Due Process Clauses protect “persons,” not just citizens, and they apply in civil as well as criminal contexts, including immigration proceedings
Key legal points
The Fifth Amendment says “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law,” and the Fourteenth Amendment similarly protects all “persons,” not just citizens.
Courts and major legal organizations are explicit that this includes non‑citizens, even undocumented immigrants, so they are entitled to fair treatment and a chance to defend themselves.
Due process is not limited to criminal law; it’s about any government action that can deprive someone of liberty or property, including civil actions like terminating benefits, child custody, and deportation.
Immigration removal and most deportation matters are formally “civil,” but that does not erase due process protections; noncitizens generally must be given notice, a hearing before an immigration judge, and a chance to present evidence and challenge the government’s case.
Legal sources explain that due process in civil immigration proceedings may be more limited than in criminal prosecutions, but it still exists and cannot be eliminated simply by labeling a proceeding “civil.”
The Supreme Court and constitutional commentary note that noncitizens physically present in the U.S. “come under the protective scope of the Due Process Clause” and are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law.
Concrete ways rights are being violated:
Expedited removal:
The expanded fast‑track deportation system lets immigration officers deport people with little or no hearing before a judge, which legal experts describe as creating “tension” with and undermining due process protections.
Courts have already found specific uses of expedited removal against certain parolees unlawful, noting that people who “played by the rules” are being summarily removed contrary to statutory protections.
Courthouse arrests and case dismissals:
DHS and ICE have been dismissing immigrants’ active court cases and then arresting them at or outside courthouses, shunting them into fast‑track removal in a way advocates say violates statutory rights to a full removal hearing and basic fairness.
Lawsuits describe this as “weaponizing” immigration courts and turning hearings into traps that chill people from exercising their legal rights.
Blocking access to lawyers:
An ACLU report documents systemic barriers in ICE detention—no scheduled attorney calls, expensive monitored phone calls, delayed legal mail, and denial of confidential visits—making it nearly impossible for many detained immigrants to communicate with counsel.
Because representation hugely affects outcomes (detained immigrants with lawyers are about 10 times more likely to win their cases), blocking access to counsel “renders” their due process rights “meaningless” in practice.
Strange, I know we were dealing with a horrible recession, but I don't recall ANY protests.
I do remember kids being separated from their parents. But under Trump they were "RIPPED" from their parents arms. And every Democrat was forced to add that "RIPPED" part
Yep. Most "deportations" under Obama were people being denied access into the country and were turned away at the border. Kind of a stretch to call that a deportation, but...
Obama did use ICE to apprehend and deport illegals. He even presented Tom Homan with the Presidential Rank Award for his efforts.
Hero during the Obama years, suddenly turns villain during the Trump years for doing the same job.
I'm quite sure he used border patrol as well as any law enforcement within the cities. And the tactics that is used by ice is from what I can see recommended by Trump.
Under the Obama administration those who were here illegally were obtained in a quiet basically peaceful fashion. If he had done what Trump is done or even close to it it would be all over the news and he would probably faced a form of impeachment.
Trump hates Obama, it has shown for over two decades. Anything that Obama has accomplished Trump has dismantled or is trying to outdo.
@CharityUnder the Obama administration those who were here illegally were obtained in a quiet basically peaceful fashion.
Yes Charity, but there is one big glaring difference. ICE did not have to contend with hundreds of violent protestors hindering them. The ONLY reason it isn't peaceful and quiet is because of the protestors. Under Obama there were not violent people Doxing and going to the homes of ICE personnel.
Obama or his administration didn't announce to the states of the US that ice was coming after them and basically said they will apprehend them by any means necessary.
People knew what Obama was doing, he did it with dignity and when something is done with dignity the majority will not complain.
Just from what I've seen ice came out like the Gestapo and people did not like that in January 2025 by trump's command.
Trump authorizes ICE to target courthouses, schools and churches - ABC News https://share.google/ut120CK66xCryWX87
Trump's first term he used ice agents, and it wasn't a lot of protest and chaos from the people, why they were not using gestapo tactics printed in 2019 article by Time magazine President Trump Called Weekend's ICE Raids 'Very Successful' | TIME https://share.google/VOCtEdB8yT9PKMoTQ
@Charity We really don't have much in the way of video to decipher how illegals were rounded up under Obama. Today we have literally 100's of cameras filming at every angle.
I'm sure if hundreds of videos surfaced showing ICE under Obama, we would see much of the same thing as today.
There is a reason that EVERY single protestor is filming. You can splice together a lot of bad looking things when you have that much footage.
Actually, almost all of Obama's deportations were of people apprehended right at the border; many of them at checkpoints requesting asylum and then having their requests denied.
Here's what's different about tRump's wave of ICE "arrests" and deportations.
tRump is re-classifying people who were legally granted asylum, and declaring them suddenly illegal. Yes, they had legal protected status, and tRump stripped that from them. They only became "illegal" after a stroke of tRump's ̶p̶e̶n̶ sharpie.
Their only "crime" was incurring tRump's displeasure. SAD!!
@ElwoodBlues TPS permits foreign nationals who are already in the United States – even if they did not enter the country through an official or legal means – to remain for six, 12 or 18 months.
Times up! I know you think TPS means they can stay forever and are automatically legal citizens. But I'm sorry, that would be wrong.
Around 945,000 US asylum applications were filed in 2023. https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-asylum-applications-does-the-us-receive/country/united-states/
No wonder you were ashamed to provide the source of your FAKE NEWS!!!
BTW, there is a process for removal of TPS. tRump can't just wave a wand and say "all these people are now illegal."
Now that I look into this, it is a totally FAKE story.
It's a fake story Elwood. There is nothing in the news about it. For all you know that child was taken straight home.
OOOPS!!! Reports confirmed!!!
ICE detains 5-year-old boy, 3 other students in Columbia Heights
What we know:
... Columbia Heights Public Schools Superintendent Zena Stenvik said that four students have been detained by ICE.
... One of the students, 5-year-old Liam Conejo Ramos, was detained Tuesday afternoon. Ramos had just arrived home from preschool when he and his father were apprehended in their driveway.
Stenvik says another adult who lives in the home with Ramos "begged" agents to let them take care of the child, but was refused.
Source: FOX NEWS https://www.fox9.com/news/5-year-old-boy-detained-ice-columbia-heights-jan-21
@jshm2 Where does ICE operate? Typically, ICE operates inside the US, with some staffing abroad. It's sister agency, US Customs and Border Protection, technically patrols the US borders.
Nothing to do with the border homie. Please stop making things up. It's not a good look.
@DogMan !!! Report of ICE Child Abuse Confirmed !!!
ICE detains 5-year-old boy, 3 other students in Columbia Heights
What we know:
Columbia Heights Public Schools Superintendent Zena Stenvik said that four students have been detained by ICE.
One of the students, 5-year-old Liam Conejo Ramos, was detained Tuesday afternoon. Ramos had just arrived home from preschool when he and his father were apprehended in their driveway.
Stenvik says another adult who lives in the home with Ramos "begged" agents to let them take care of the child, but was refused.
Source: FOX NEWS https://www.fox9.com/news/5-year-old-boy-detained-ice-columbia-heights-jan-21
@ElwoodBlues Well thats a bummer. Do they have the child in chains? Are they interrogating him? I want to know that he is being treated right. Do you know where he is today?
When your local cops have to take a child, they usually have people from the Dept of Children, Youth, and Families (or whatever the name is in your state) do the pickup and look after the child. It's very traumatic on a child to be picked up by strangers and these child departments have the expertise to at least minimize the trauma.
But you and I both know the goal of ICE is to spread fear, so ICE is not looking to minimize any trauma, they want to "make an example" that scares people. SAD!!
Are you calling people stupid people know the difference in when someone is arrested and want someone has been helped.
Like yesterday They went into a man's house, elderly gentleman, brought him outside in a robe and underpants in a blanket around his shoulders and it's snow on the ground, wouldn't even let him put on clothes and he is a US citizen.
Who is THEY? And what was he being arrested for? A little context would be helpful.
@DogMan "They" is ICE. ICE doesn't need a warrant to smash down a door, nor a "reason" to arrest someone, hadn't you noticed?? The arrested man is ChongLy "Scott" Thao, Hmong Immigrant and U.S. Citizen.
ChongLy "Scott" Thao told the AP that his daughter-in-law woke him up from a nap Sunday afternoon and said that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were banging at the door of his residence in St. Paul. He told her not to open it. Masked agents then forced their way in and pointed guns at the family, yelling at them, Thao recalled.
"I was shaking," he said. "They didn't show any warrant; they just broke down the door."
... Thao said agents drove him "to the middle of nowhere" and made him get out of the car in the frigid weather so they could photograph him. He said he feared they would beat him. He was asked for his ID, which agents earlier prevented him from retrieving.
