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Did Obama use ICE to arrest and deport?

Obama deported more people, by a wide margin.

Syracuse University’s TRAC and subsequent press accounts report that over eight years the Obama administration recorded more than 3.1 million ICE deportations and that fiscal‑year totals under Obama included tens of thousands of interior removals [1] [4]. Reporting from 2017 noted 65,332 individuals were detained and deported in FY2016 alone, illustrating the scale of removals late in Obama’s term.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
People called Obama deporter in chief and criticized his processes which the criticism was fair. The difference however is Trump is extreme and have stripped away due process for many. Obama was still wrong on some accounts and our system needs to be fixed in a way that is different from traditionally doing it. However Obama and Trump differ widely even though both can be criticized.

Did ice (under Obama) have the same hiring process where a reporter got hired within 6 minutes and they didn't do a background check or a drug check? Did he have ice go door to door asking for papers from US citizens? Did he deport a little girl going through brain cancer and then claim pro life values? Did ice execute a woman driving away under Obama?

Did he have ice agents break into houses and point guns at families heads while stealing their money?

https://www.nyic.org/2025/11/ice-breaks-into-queens-familys-home-without-warrant-or-announcing-themselves-pointing-guns-at-kids/

If you go to the link at the top of this article (it's in the first paragraph you can click on the first hyperlink within the text,) there's video of an agent calling the motherv and saying "to get out fkking stupid" while pointing a gun and she says I have my baby.

In a different article but talking about the same incident, the mother goes on to say it was mistaken identity and even after the agents determined that it was the wrong identity they took her money while she begged to keep it because her husband was away and she needed it to feed her kids. The ice agents then told her she may get it back in 1 ro 4 months.

Did Obama do all that on a drastic level?
DogMan · 61-69, M
@SatanBurger
Did Obama do all that on a drastic level? Do you know what makes it DRASTIC?
Hundreds of people getting in the way and hindering Law Enforcement.

ICE is doing it the same way as they did under Obama. Tom Homan also was in charge under Obama.

The only thing that has changed is the violent protestors threatening Law Enforcement.
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@DogMan says
Hundreds of people getting in the way and hindering Law Enforcement.

Hundreds of people exercising their Constitutional rights to free speech and freedom of assembly.

Fixed that for ya!!
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Why didn't they exercise that right under Obama? Never mind. we all know.

FYI obstruction is a crime.
@DogMan asks
Why didn't they exercise that right under Obama?

Almost all of Obama's deportations were of people apprehended right at the border; many of them at checkpoints requesting asylum and then having their requests denied.

Here's what's different about tRump's wave of ICE "arrests" and deportations.

tRump is re-classifying people who were legally granted admission, and declaring them suddenly illegal. Yes, they had legal protected status, and tRump stripped that from them. They only became "illegal" after a stroke of tRump's p̶e̶n̶ sharpie.

Their only "crime" was incurring tRump's displeasure. SAD!!

And gosh, there seems to be a high correlation between melanin content of skin and tRump's displeasure!!!
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@DogMan you're the one who brought up Obama and specfically stated that no one had an issue I'm just explaining why people take up issue. Ice has been lawless and are now attacking black and brown cops as well.

Don't ask questions if you want to hear your own answers.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@BizSuitStacy Girl, I'm sorry you're not for the constitution, but I am.
@SatanBurger And sadly, little devil worshiper, you still don't understand. Deportation is a civil procedure, not criminal. Hence, due process does not come into play. SCOTUS ruled on that over 100 years ago. But don't let facts stop you from pushing a good lie. I mean, it never stopped JSul3 from repeating it.

Ever wonder why you don't hear law makers using it?
@SatanBurger The Biz-suited one blocked me after I teased them (it?) about their prediction of "vaccine AIDS" for me back in 2020. Anyway they (it?) are DEAD WRONG about civil procedure and due process. Google quickly turns up a laundry list of cases where SCOTUS said due process applies to civil cases. You might want to quote them in a reply to me so that the Biz-suited one sees them.

Mullane v. Cent. Hanover Bank & Trust Co. (1950): the bank violated due process in it's weak notification of settlement beneficiaries.

Goldberg v. Kelly (1970): Required an evidentiary hearing (due process) before terminating welfare benefits, highlighting the need for fairness when significant property interests are at stake.

Mathews v. Eldridge (1976): Introduced the balancing test to assess procedural fairness, balancing private interests, error risk, and government interests.

Daniels v. Williams (1986): Clarified that simple negligence isn't enough for a constitutional due process violation; a higher mental state (like intent or recklessness) is usually needed for deprivation of liberty/property.

In short, SCOTUS has ruled that due process is required in civil cases, focusing on preventing unfair government action by ensuring individuals get notice and a chance to contest deprivations of their rights or property.

It took less than ten minutes to prove the Biz-suited one DEAD WRONG!!!
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@ElwoodBlues
Google quickly turns up a laundry list of cases where SCOTUS said due process applies to civil cases.

Mullane v. Cent. Hanover Bank & Trust Co. (1950): the bank violated due process in it's weak notification of settlement beneficiaries.

Goldberg v. Kelly (1970): Required an evidentiary hearing (due process) before terminating welfare benefits, highlighting the need for fairness when significant property interests are at stake.

Mathews v. Eldridge (1976): Introduced the balancing test to assess procedural fairness, balancing private interests, error risk, and government interests.

Daniels v. Williams (1986): Clarified that simple negligence isn't enough for a constitutional due process violation; a higher mental state (like intent or recklessness) is usually needed for deprivation of liberty/property

Agreed, well no due process towards civil cases don't make sense anyways, it's not logical to just have the law do what they want to people on the grounds of civil and not criminal cases. It's just bizarre.
@SatanBurger if due process was being violated in the case of deportations, civil rights attorneys would be crawling over one another to take the cases. They are simply being told to leave the country and the tax payer foots the bill for their transportation.

Now...if the illegal alien commits a crime and is facing prosecution, then due process applies.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@BizSuitStacy You're wrong period.

Due Process Clauses protect “persons,” not just citizens, and they apply in civil as well as criminal contexts, including immigration proceedings

Key legal points

The Fifth Amendment says “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law,” and the Fourteenth Amendment similarly protects all “persons,” not just citizens.

Courts and major legal organizations are explicit that this includes non‑citizens, even undocumented immigrants, so they are entitled to fair treatment and a chance to defend themselves.

Due process is not limited to criminal law; it’s about any government action that can deprive someone of liberty or property, including civil actions like terminating benefits, child custody, and deportation.

Immigration removal and most deportation matters are formally “civil,” but that does not erase due process protections; noncitizens generally must be given notice, a hearing before an immigration judge, and a chance to present evidence and challenge the government’s case.

Legal sources explain that due process in civil immigration proceedings may be more limited than in criminal prosecutions, but it still exists and cannot be eliminated simply by labeling a proceeding “civil.”

The Supreme Court and constitutional commentary note that noncitizens physically present in the U.S. “come under the protective scope of the Due Process Clause” and are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law.

Concrete ways rights are being violated:

Expedited removal:

The expanded fast‑track deportation system lets immigration officers deport people with little or no hearing before a judge, which legal experts describe as creating “tension” with and undermining due process protections.

Courts have already found specific uses of expedited removal against certain parolees unlawful, noting that people who “played by the rules” are being summarily removed contrary to statutory protections.

Courthouse arrests and case dismissals:

DHS and ICE have been dismissing immigrants’ active court cases and then arresting them at or outside courthouses, shunting them into fast‑track removal in a way advocates say violates statutory rights to a full removal hearing and basic fairness.

Lawsuits describe this as “weaponizing” immigration courts and turning hearings into traps that chill people from exercising their legal rights.

Blocking access to lawyers:

An ACLU report documents systemic barriers in ICE detention—no scheduled attorney calls, expensive monitored phone calls, delayed legal mail, and denial of confidential visits—making it nearly impossible for many detained immigrants to communicate with counsel.

Because representation hugely affects outcomes (detained immigrants with lawyers are about 10 times more likely to win their cases), blocking access to counsel “renders” their due process rights “meaningless” in practice.
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