Should Trump try to end the Ukraine war?

@DogMan No, I think the "they" intended in that Jimbo post is clearly the people of Ukraine. I don't believe JS is referring to the USA.

Speaking of the people of Ukraine, I see no concern being expressed for the ones who would come under the Putin regime. No thought for them, by the folks who advocate giving up 'their' land?

@ffony From what I have read, most people in the Donbas region WANT to be part of
Russia. But I really don't know those fact, as I do not go there, or talk to anyone there.

I have a friend at my gym that is from Belarus, and has family in the Ukraine, I will ask
his opinion next time I see him. Probably better than listening to the talking heads.

@BizSuitStacy your imagination is running wild again. Take your meds dude

@Thewhazzupdude Everything Biz said, is right on the money.

@Thewhazzupdude you remind me of one of those WWII Japanese soldiers they found on islands decades after the war ended.

@Richard65 Give them Alaska, it's not America anyway. Russia has better use for it

@Richard65 I get your point about giving up land. But if the majority of Texans were siding
with Mexico, we would have to think hard about it, right?

@DogMan I doubt most Ukranians are siding with Russia (unless you mean in those specific areas already taken that contain Russian speaking Ukrainians). But it appears Putin wants even more Ukranian land as part of a peace deal, plus he wants the power to dictate how close Ukraine's relationship with the EU is (and a veto on them joining NATO). In effect, Putin wants to rule Ukraine from Moscow. I understand the situation Ukraine is in, but I doubt Americans would be willing to give up an inch of US territory to a foreign power, irrelevant of the circumstances. I've read enough posts from you guys that convince me of that. I think the fact Trump seems to be discussing Ukraine's future with Putin whilst excluding them from the conversation is getting up Zelensky's nose.

@fanuc2013 What you're describing is appeasement. Putin will be back for more in a few years.

@22Michelle You wrote weeks wrong

@Thewhazzupdude No, Putin won't rush things. He's knows that in a few weeks American voters would notice and it would look bad for Trump. A few years and voters will have forgotten, Trump will either be gone or on his way out. Putin will move on Ukraine, or some other country that borders Russia. And we'll be back debating whether supporting that country is worth it. Maybe he'll make a grab for Alaska?

@DogMan I agree NATO and Europe and Canada should commit more.

@DogMan sure. War is terrible. Ultimately, russia invaded a sovereign nation, violating the treaty they signed in 1997.
And sure, everyone involved should have a voice. The loudest and most compelling voice, that of the nation struggling to maintain their freedom.
Putin has been accused of being a war criminal. Trump is ignoring that.
The only concession russia should get is being able to withdraw without troops being killed in their retreat.

@Carla I doubt there is any such thing as 'what the Ukrainians want'. They've been a mixture of Russian & Ukrainian speakers (among others) for a long time. Putin is simply trying to gain territory by using the potential for cultural conflict to 'divide & conquer'.

I think the throwing together of Russians & Ukrainians in a single new country dates back to the 1916 (?) "Peace Conference". It's a while since I read about that but I'm certain the decisions were dictated by the 'big three' - Lloyd George, Wilson, Clemenceau (and maybe Orlando) - without input from any of the populations involved.

@Zonuss It would be nice if it ends, but unless it ends with Putin at least losing face he'll be back for more, which is shy he doesn't want Ukraine to be part of NATO as that puts it out of his reach.

@22Michelle The unbelieveable situation occurs that Trump wants to leave Nato, and betrays the alliance on the way out with the statement that Ukrain is not allowed in. US need to keep their big mouths shut.

@Thewhazzupdude He's only doing what Putin tells him to do.

@trollslayer for that 15 minutes though, trump can claim the win.

@Carla you're writing that as if you could do better, so why don't you run for office

@WanderlustCat

The warmongers are YOUR tribe

Try and keep up

@Thrust The Canadians?

@BizSuitStacy that figure may be right , but I only believe about 1/2 of what Orange says.

@AthrillatheHunt I thought the number was closer to $250 billion.

@BizSuitStacy I think the 350b includes 100b of future money promised.

@Thrust leftists lack the self awareness for that

@uikakarotuevegeta Putin threating with nuclear arm as soon as a case of milk is spilled in the supermarket. Trump gave him the leverage by not even negotiating, but just give away his position

@Thewhazzupdude Putin never stops threatening the use of nuclear strikes, but it hasn't happened. He knows that's the fast way to have Russian destroyed. And I very much doubt his military would obey the order. It's much easier and cheaper to get his pet to betray Ukraine.

@emmayoung Trump is the first POTUS that CAN'T be bought. All others ARE!
Trump and Musk are not doing this for money, like Obama and Biden. There is
nothing they can't already buy.

But....AOC is now a multi-millionaire. How did that happen?

@emmayoung Yeah right, the richest man in the world needs money. 🤣 Our government
wastes trillions of dollars, why do you condone that? Is that how you live? spend spend spend
and run up your debt until you file chapter 11? Admit it, as a Lib, you already have at
least one bankruptcy under your belt, right?

@swirlie And never cut a deal with Putin. He'll be back demanding more in a few years.