Should Trump try to end the Ukraine war?

If he does, he will want Ukraine to give up land.

The alternative is, we just keep giving Ukraine 100's of billions in arms every year
until Russia destroys both of their countries.

Would that be better than peace, and giving up land?

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Richard65 · M

Dunno, would you give up, say, Texas willingly to the Mexicans if it meant peace? How about New York or Florida to the Canadians. For, like, peace an' all....?

Thrust · 56-60, M

@Richard65

Did that fantasy give your 1" a stiffy?

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uikakarotuevegeta · 26-30

@Richard65 you do realize you're bringing up a false equivalency right? And also Activision hasn't been conservative since 2015 lmao

Richard65 · M

@uikakarotuevegeta why is it a false equivalence? He's suggesting it would be better for Ukraine to give up land. I asked if America would be prepared to give up land just to achieve peace. It's a legitimate question when America is so eager to tell other people to give up their land.

uikakarotuevegeta · 26-30

@Richard65 you're going to have to do better than that to bait me

Richard65 · M

@uikakarotuevegeta so, you have absolutely no answer, or you lack the courage to make it.

Bait you? You chose to answer my comment. You could have just watched TV.

uikakarotuevegeta · 26-30

@Richard65 and now we're resorting to logical fallacies; i knew you'd do that before you even responded 🤣

Richard65 · M

@uikakarotuevegeta lol, is that another example of the intellectual gymnastics you're desperately trying to perform. Cheers.

LeotardWearer · 56-60, M

@Richard65 True. Many years ago the Ukranians gave up their nuclear missiles on the guarantee from US, UK and Russia that their borders would remain intact. So the UK and US did not live up to this signed treaty when Russia invaded. The land Russia stole is rich in strategic minerals - so to make electric car batteries etc we will have to pay Russia.

Thewhazzupdude

@Richard65 Give them Alaska, it's not America anyway. Russia has better use for it

DogMan · 61-69, M

@Richard65 I get your point about giving up land. But if the majority of Texans were siding
with Mexico, we would have to think hard about it, right?

Richard65 · M

@DogMan I doubt most Ukranians are siding with Russia (unless you mean in those specific areas already taken that contain Russian speaking Ukrainians). But it appears Putin wants even more Ukranian land as part of a peace deal, plus he wants the power to dictate how close Ukraine's relationship with the EU is (and a veto on them joining NATO). In effect, Putin wants to rule Ukraine from Moscow. I understand the situation Ukraine is in, but I doubt Americans would be willing to give up an inch of US territory to a foreign power, irrelevant of the circumstances. I've read enough posts from you guys that convince me of that. I think the fact Trump seems to be discussing Ukraine's future with Putin whilst excluding them from the conversation is getting up Zelensky's nose.