Should Trump try to end the Ukraine war?

If he does, he will want Ukraine to give up land.

The alternative is, we just keep giving Ukraine 100's of billions in arms every year
until Russia destroys both of their countries.

Would that be better than peace, and giving up land?

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Carla · 61-69, F

Why don't you ask the Ukrainians what they want.
It isn't up to trump to decide their fate.

Dino11 · M

@Carla How many 100’s of thousands
Died during Trump 1.0,
Like Biden’s Vietnam??

DogMan · 61-69, M

@Carla Yes, Carla, we can ask the Ukrainians what they want. What if they want American
boots on the ground? Do you have a young person we can send? I would go for you,
if I were still young.😉

Carla · 61-69, F

@DogMan what if they want to maintain their sovereignty and borders?
"Their" being the operative word.
And if "their" fate is being decided, shouldn't they have a seat at the table?

DogMan · 61-69, M

@Carla I think every European leader needs to be at the table. It looks to me like this is just
going to be a long unproductive war, that will drain the United States.

Diplomacy and negotiation has to happen soon, don't you think?

There was no talk of either under Biden.

JimboSaturn · 56-60, M

@Carla Exactly, it's their choice ultimately.

JimboSaturn · 56-60, M

@DogMan I agree NATO and Europe and Canada should commit more.

Carla · 61-69, F

@DogMan sure. War is terrible. Ultimately, russia invaded a sovereign nation, violating the treaty they signed in 1997.
And sure, everyone involved should have a voice. The loudest and most compelling voice, that of the nation struggling to maintain their freedom.
Putin has been accused of being a war criminal. Trump is ignoring that.
The only concession russia should get is being able to withdraw without troops being killed in their retreat.

ffony · M

@Carla I doubt there is any such thing as 'what the Ukrainians want'. They've been a mixture of Russian & Ukrainian speakers (among others) for a long time. Putin is simply trying to gain territory by using the potential for cultural conflict to 'divide & conquer'.

I think the throwing together of Russians & Ukrainians in a single new country dates back to the 1916 (?) "Peace Conference". It's a while since I read about that but I'm certain the decisions were dictated by the 'big three' - Lloyd George, Wilson, Clemenceau (and maybe Orlando) - without input from any of the populations involved.