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Is diversity good for the Military?

Diverse people go into the military. All Races, creeds, and religions, but that is where
the diversity needs to end. No classes, and other crap to take time away from building
a fighting force.

We need Unity the military will cease to exist if Diversity takes over for Unity.

Unity is what our military is all about. Pushing Diversity, will erode the Unity that we require.

Obama started pushing the race card in the military, trying to FIX a problem that did
not exist. He instead, MADE it a problem, a problem that required classes, and forums
to talk about our diversity and systemic racism.

I was in the military back in the 70's and 80's and there were ZERO race problems, we
all worked together for our common goal.

Racism was rooted out of the military after WWII.
Barefooter25 · 46-50, M
The main purpose of the military is to defend our nation and to break things, namely anyone that directly threatens America. Our military is not meant to be used for diverse social experiments.
Adrift · 61-69, F
My friend of mine told me that his drill sergeant used to say the only color in the army was green.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
I'm taking this post on face value so no political agenda.
The military and it doesn't matter which branch needs everybody within it's ranks to be capable of a standard, no exceptions for race, colour, sex, gender. If there is a requirement for a specific person to be recruited (let me go extreme) you need an Iragi speaking female and the only person you can recruit is morbidly obese you take that person as an exception and they are encouraged to become more fit for purpose as a member of the armed forces.
Everybody should be treated equally and that includes no positive discrimination either; when I left in 2012 this had not been achieved. There were different allowable levels of fitness for men, women and age related too, women were treated as a protected species. Whenever we went somewhere where accommodation was limited, females were never packed into rooms like the men were and that's even before we get into who's gay or gender queer or any of that nonsense. Is there a place for an equalities rep in the armed forces? Yes but their job must be to ease the problems in having all the current insanity about people pushing their rights and not down treading males, so that the one purple, gender agile, knobhead who wants all the perks and none of the hardships gets their own way.
justanothername · 51-55, M
Racism has always been in the US military. It was NEVER rooted out if the military. That fact that you are posting your thoughts tells be that RACISM in the US military is as strong today as it was 50 years ago.

Trump is making sure that RACISM is front and center of his agenda.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@emiliya He wasn't in the military. He is just a hater, and believes that everyone should
cater to people based on their skin color.
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@Slicker24 No, he is just talking about something he doesn't know about.
emiliya · 22-25, F
What is the difference between a black soldier and a white soldier? Can you see one? Anyone can be a patriot, but it requires commitment and willingness to sacrifice your life for your country. It means you have to be strong and able to fight. Are women strong and able to fight? I have only heard stories about women being too weak for the army, and standards being lowered in western armies to accommodate women. There is no need for an army to try to recruit homosexuals, unless they seek to be in the army and are good enough. Progressive politics has no place in the army. Thinking about these things takes attention away from the important matters, which are what are country's doing with their militaries? What is the state of their military?
DogMan · 61-69, M
@emiliya Thank you Emiliya. The American military is currently being destroyed by
left wing politics.

I am currently reading "The War on Warriors" It makes me sick what the progressives
have done to the military. They created problems, that didn't exist.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
How many military members actually have had gender reassignment surgery? I'll wait...

Some excellent and dedicated people were forced out before President Clinton went with DADT. (Gay and lesbian people have served since military forces were established thousands of years ago.)

A draft without exceptions would be good for society. People are separated by groups. Being mixed together would be healthy. Those "others" are just people. No need to fear others who don't look alike.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@Crazywaterspring
How many military members actually have had gender reassignment surgery?
I'm pretty sure that information is probably restricted if not confidential, however before I left there was one in the MGS (people who staff the guard room, they are military and armed), one of my friends decided he needed to wear female clothes (I'm absolutely convinced he just had a break down) and a third actually went for gender reassignment and I still see him around the local road racing circuit although he's probably left the forces now. That's just the few I knew out of a force of about 30k.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
The armed services in most western countries struggle to meet recruitment targets and must recruit as widely as possible, creating a very diverse workforce. Military personnel are entitled to the same legal protection and human dignity as any other citizen. The nature of the work does not preclude this.

When my mum and dad served in the Royal Navy from the 1990s to the 2010s, racism, sexism, and homophobia were widespread and generally tolerated.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl Well then, the U.S. was way ahead of you in the military. I was in during the
70's and 80's and we were a unified fighting force. There was no racism. We had the most
diverse military in the world, but the diversity ended at the door. I had never worked with
anyone other than white folks before my military service. My first friend in boot camp
was from the Philippines. My first room mate and best friend in the barracks was a black
guy. My next good friend was from Colombia. Compared to the outside, there was ZERO
racism. We all worked together. The military is the only REAL melting pot. It has always
been far more diverse than university. And there are no cliques in the military, as everyone
goes in alone, (99.9%) and we do not know anyone when we go in, unlike college.

College separates people into groups. Sororities, fraternities, etc. African American groups
Asians groups, etc....

The military is the exact opposite, we are ALL together, all unified. If you have not been
in the military, than you can't understand.

Obama brought race problems back to the military, on purpose.
akindheart · 61-69, F
it started big time in the FBI according to Big intel, the book i just read. Anyone undergoing sex change, is too emotional to go into the military. as for women, there should be positions for them if they want to serve.
@DogMan says
Racism was rooted out of the military after WWII.
Actually, racism during the Vietnam war was widespread and well documented. Here's two paragraphs from wikipedia; all the links in the original lead to primary source documentation.

Overt racism was typical in American bases in Vietnam. Although initially uncommon at the start of the war, after the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., overt racism occurred at a higher rate.[3] Following the assassination, some White troops at Cam Ranh Base wore Ku Klux Klan robes and paraded around the base.[6][11]:183 At least three instances of cross burning were confirmed to have happened.[12] Da Nang Air Base flew the Confederate flag for three days in response.[12][6] In addition to being used in response to King's murder, Confederate flags and icons were commonly painted on jeeps, tanks, and helicopters; bathroom graffiti proclaimed that African Americans, not the Vietnamese, were the real enemy. Black troops were discouraged from taking pride in Black identity, with one troop ordered to remove a "Black is beautiful" poster from his locker.[6] Following complaints from African American soldiers, Confederate flags were briefly banned but soon allowed after resistance from Southern politicians objected.[3] Black identity publications and speeches were restricted, with some commanders banning recordings of speeches by Malcolm X or the newspaper The Black Panther.[11] Despite segregation being abolished in the military, it still affected troops.[8]

According to journalists Wallace Terry and Zalin Grant by 1968, racial incidents in Danang, Cam Ranh Bay, Dong Tam, Saigon, and Bien Hoa happened on an "almost daily basis" and had become "commonplace". Similar reports came from official channels with there being at least 33 incidents of racial violence in the two months between December 1969 and January 1970. In 1970 there were 1,060 reported cases of violent racial conflict.[3] Racial incidents also affected the Navy and Air Force. Following King's death race riots and conflicts occurred at Long Binh jail and Camp Lejuene. The former was the worst race riot in the U.S. Army's history and the latter garnered national attention due to 44 African-American soldiers being arrested but no white soldiers. It also inspired an investigation and creation of a committee to study racial bias and African American militancy in the armed forces.[5] Grant once claimed that the "biggest threat" to the U.S. military was "race riots, not the Vietcong."[3]

. . .

African American troops were punished more harshly and more frequently than White troops. A Defense Department study released in 1972 found that Black troops received 34.3% of courts-martial, 25.5% of nonjudicial punishments, and comprised 58% of prisoners at Long Bình Jail, a military prison.[8] It further remarked, "No command or installation...is entirely free from the effects of systematic discrimination against minority servicemen."[9] Black troops were also almost twice as likely as White troops to receive a punitive discharge.[9] In 1972, African-Americans received more than one-fifth of the bad-conduct discharges and nearly one-third of the dishonorable discharges.[5]

In the Vietnam War, African American troops initially had a much higher casualty rate than other ethnicities,[8] though this declined somewhat throughout the course of the conflict. In 1965, nearly a quarter of troop casualties were African American. By 1967, it had fallen to 12.7%.[3] In total, 7,243 African Americans died during the Vietnam War, representing 12.4% of total casualties.[14] The refusal, by some southern communities, to bury dead African American soldiers in unsegregated cemeteries was met with outrage by African American communities.[5]
The military is about protection and about winning battles. Surely people understand that. Diversity rears its head causing more conflict. Just do the job whoever you are. You do not have to like your comrades, you just have to protect and to trust each other. I am not into war.
specman · 51-55, M
I agree wholeheartedly!
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GerOttman · 61-69, M
@DogMan Maybe someone will do a study or something. Get 50 fat kids and run them a few miles a day for a couple of months. See what happens! Might be surprised at the results never know...
DogMan · 61-69, M
@GerOttman Kids now days will not run. They are in charge. They got their participation
trophy in volleyball, that's enough exercise for the rest of their life. At 65, I would make it
before most kids. But I still work out everyday.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
@DogMan The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."
(From a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274)
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@GeistInTheMachine We have a volunteer military. Believe it or not, people from all
races volunteer. Are you saying that we should not allow all volunteers? 🤣 You would
be the first person to scream RACISM! Look, we don't want YOU in the military, you
probably would not be able to handle it. You would cry like a little girl the first time a DI
yelled at you. I also doubt that you could handle the discipline and responsibility.

I had more responsibility when I was still in my teens, than most people in civilian life
will EVER have.

 
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