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Did NATO expansionism, provoke the war with Russia ?

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Rabscuttle · 41-45
More likely the lack of consequences did- look at what happened after the last Russian war, in 2014.
Or, rather, look at what didn't.

The distance between St. Petersburg and Warsaw is essentially a massive open plain; very difficult to defend. And given how much of Russia's development and population is concentrated in the west, it's pretty much an inevitability that Russian leadership is always going to be at least somewhat saber-rattly. But Putin, seeking a return of Russian power and influence, apparently can't think of anything ELSE, so war it is.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@Rabscuttle The same old narrative from mainstream media 🙄
Rabscuttle · 41-45
@ididntknow No, the same old narrative from Russia's prior actions. Some of us have the fantastic superhuman power of "pattern recognition".
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ididntknow · 56-60, M
@peterlee sorry but you’re wrong, you’re just repeating what you’ve heard on the news
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
No. Next question.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ididntknow You mean agree with you or don't bother to answer? 🤷‍♂
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@FreddieUK No I don’t mean agree with me, governments and mainstream media work on narratives, ( stories ) it’s like like a giant echo chamber, you are simply quoting from that echo chamber,
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ididntknow I haven't quoted from anyone. I gave an unvarnished response which you apparently disagree with and you have immediately come to a conclusion about how I reached that reply. I need to know which sources you accept so I can consider the acceptable response of 'yes'.
I'm inclined to think it did. NATO was supposed to make everyone else scared to attack us and thus keep out of war. How has including more countries done that for us?
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP It surprised Putin, for sure.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
@AdmiralPrune so what did ?
@ididntknow It’s well know the Russians created states in places such as Georgia as a land grab to test how the west would respond. As the west did nothing the Russians believed they could take back the Ukraine with without any outside interference. Thus strengthening their access to the Black Sea and resources in the Ukraine.

Ofcourse, they were wrong.
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ididntknow · 56-60, M
@SW-User so what did ?
SW-User
@ididntknow not what, who.

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

 
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