Ukraine now have their own long range missile
And soon receive 30 F-16 from Belgium.
Is it time for russia to retreat ?
Is it time for russia to retreat ?
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wildbill83 · 41-45, M
equipment is meaningless without a proficient/competent military to use them...
From it's adoption in 1980, we've used the Abrams tank in countless wars/conflicts without ever losing a single one in combat
Most of the 80 or so that were given to Ukraine were destroyed in less than a year...
And the same is true for most of the equipment given to them, they're too stupid to use them as designed, instead relying on archaic tactics from ww1/ww2 and losing them in the process.
From it's adoption in 1980, we've used the Abrams tank in countless wars/conflicts without ever losing a single one in combat
Most of the 80 or so that were given to Ukraine were destroyed in less than a year...
And the same is true for most of the equipment given to them, they're too stupid to use them as designed, instead relying on archaic tactics from ww1/ww2 and losing them in the process.
@wildbill83 Things have changed a LOT since those Abrams tanks were used in combat. They are no longer a viable option in war, too slow, too easily defeated with drones. Unable to hide, or run. They are just a place for soldiers to die.
Khenpal1 · M
@wildbill83 Abrams are cold war design , actually too heavy for Ukraine terain. Russian tanks are not doing much better. New long range missials are not yet known if they will change anything on long term.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@JamesBugman wrong, the problem is they use for for all out tank attacks (like the russians) like it's ww2. Tanks are still very effective at clearing out entrenched enemies/strongholds (as they were designed for).
@Khenpal1 the "too heavy for terrain" argument is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It exerts less pressure on the ground than a typical truck/suv or even a horse. Around 15psi or so. Operates just fine on sand, which is a lot softer than any terrain in ukraine
@Khenpal1 the "too heavy for terrain" argument is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It exerts less pressure on the ground than a typical truck/suv or even a horse. Around 15psi or so. Operates just fine on sand, which is a lot softer than any terrain in ukraine
Khenpal1 · M
@wildbill83 Halve of the time its mud and rain . Germans learned the hard way . The modern T-90 is a medium tank but starts at around 46 tons,The M1A2 Abrams weighing around 68–74 tons. Ukraine only got M1A1 Abrams. I'll give you my impressions as best I can as a former Abrams crewman who crewed the same variant that is serving in Ukraine for a bit.
I understand why they sent M1A1 SA instead of M1A2 SEP v2s or v3s. The M1A2 is too heavy for Ukraine. Even the M1A1 SA is too heavy for Ukraine and this is probably what is causing the lackluster performance of the Abrams in Ukraine. They should have taken old M1A1s, pre HA variants, given them the CROWS system where the CITV is on the M1A2 and given them the computers of the SEP v2. Hopefully this would have resulted in a tank closer to 60-65 tons that would have been better suited to the battlefield in Ukraine that would have some degree of self defense capability against drones. The problem is this would have taken longer than just deploying SAs. Spares should have been sent, and they should get working on a lighter variant that will actually work in Ukraine.
I understand why they sent M1A1 SA instead of M1A2 SEP v2s or v3s. The M1A2 is too heavy for Ukraine. Even the M1A1 SA is too heavy for Ukraine and this is probably what is causing the lackluster performance of the Abrams in Ukraine. They should have taken old M1A1s, pre HA variants, given them the CROWS system where the CITV is on the M1A2 and given them the computers of the SEP v2. Hopefully this would have resulted in a tank closer to 60-65 tons that would have been better suited to the battlefield in Ukraine that would have some degree of self defense capability against drones. The problem is this would have taken longer than just deploying SAs. Spares should have been sent, and they should get working on a lighter variant that will actually work in Ukraine.