War no longer forges nations. It eats them.

@ArtieKat Oh brilliant analysis. Did you think of that all on your own?

@ImNotHungry Troll off back to your cess-pit in St Petersburg!

@ArtieKat I’ll head back to my cesspit, meanwhile you get to enjoy the luxury of cratered streets in Kiev😂

@ArtieKat “Tell that Putin, Emiliya. He's the one who started this war.”

It began decades ago. Have you not read the history? Wars do not spring from nowhere. Where were you in 2004 and 2014?

@emiliya
It started in the mind of Vladimir Putin when he said in 2005 that "the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century."

https://web.archive.org/web/20240908005052/http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/22931

And he expressed his desire to do something about it in 2018 when he answered this:

"The collapse of the Soviet Union."

to the question by Olga Timofeyeva:

"Which event in the Russian history would you like to undo?"

https://web.archive.org/web/20240908005705/http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/56969

@beckyromero He was speaking about the chaos that followed collapse. What do you know about the chaos? Tell me about your knowledge of Russia.

If your empire collapsed, how would you feel about it? You want to keep the quasi-American empire alive by meddling in the affairs of other nations and keeping US military bases around the world. You want to keep NATO alive. Keeping America as the world's policeman is your aim. It is in everything you say.

@emiliya
Putin was bitter because he had to moonlight as a taxi driver when the government cut funding for the KGB. He doesn't care about the average Russian. All he cares about is his own wealth and power (no different than Donald Trump in that regard).

Tell me. What would have happened to Russia in 1941-45 without help from the United States and the United Kingdom?

Guess it was OK with us being the "world's policeman" back then, huh?

@beckyromero Calling the collapse of a global superpower a geopolitical disaster is a description of historical reality, not a call to arms. To interpret it as a desire for war is not only misleading, it's a deliberate misreading of the point.


Yeah, "which event would you like to undo" and "would you go to war to reestablish the Soviet Union" are two very different questions. 😂

@ImNotHungry

And yet going to war is how he is starting his attempt to undo the event he mentioned.

@beckyromero Oh really? So it wasn't Boris Johnson then that encouraged the Ukrainians to fight instead of negotiate?

@beckyromero Putin had a real job. This is more than other leaders can claim.

“Tell me. What would have happened to Russia in 1941-45 without help from the United States and the United Kingdom?”

What do you think I am? A mystic? You are talking to the wrong person if you want me to speak about the horrible Nazis. I think WWII was a disaster. It was a waste of time, money, and men. Churchill was a monster. Those who took Hitler to war over an irrelevant and insignificant Poland, which Germans inhabited, are responsible for mass causality and lasting devastation. They destroyed their nations. It may be different for Russia, but it does not matter. The Slavs and the Georgian Stalin were not good enough for Hitler. End of story.

@beckyromero
Irrelevant. Your claim is that Putin STARTED a war to reclaim the Soviet Union. So again I ask, was it or was it not Boris Johnson that encouraged them (Ukrainians) to fight instead of negotiate?

@ImNotHungry

What is irrelevant is your question. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, five years BEFORE Johnson was Prime Minister of the UK. Or did you forget about illegal invasion and annexation of Crimea?

Hope you know where you've misplaced your car keys (and what they are for).

@emiliya
Both of our nations' have had our Civil War. But ours was to free those bound in slavery, not to impose tyrannical rule.

Did we both have our imperialist period of expansion? Yes, our in the American West, the war with Mexico and the Spanish-American War; yours in Siberia and central Asia.

But our nation is not an empire, nor do most Americans want us to be (only the Putin-loving despot we have in the White House right now and his sheep).

Have we made mistakes? Sure. And if you really have read my posts, you'd see that I have pointed some out, such as Eisenhower and Iran and the folly of the Vietnam War.

If you have specific "meddling" examples, I'm game to reply.

But the United States was not the nation that allied itself with Nazi Germany to invade Poland in 1939 and later murder over 20,000 Polish prisoners of war in the Katyn forest.

I'd suggest you take a more critical look at your own country's history.

@beckyromero Crimea was a war? 🤣😂

Interesting. So in order to reestablish the Soviet Union Putin invaded Crimea? Why stop there?🤣

@ImNotHungry
All wars on conquest have to start somewhere.

Putin is cold and calculating. That was the first step and that invasion destroyed the Ukranian Navy, thus giving free reign (or what Putin hoped) for Russia's Black Sea fleet. It also gave Russia a southern from with which to attack Ukraine from later.

Geez Louise! Have you no maps at your place. You know there's even this thing called Maps.Google.Com

But Putin failed to account for the miserable state of the Russian military, which failed to quickly take Kyiv. Others the Baltic states would have been quickly on his radar. But he can't turn his attention there until Ukraine is forced into submission.

Putin didn't count on the Biden's administration's backing of Ukraine or the willingness of the Ukrainian people to die for their country and for their freedom.

@beckyromero I have no nation.

“If you have specific “meddling” examples, I'm game to reply.”

US wanted nothing to do with foreign wars prior to WWI and WWII. World War Two was a good opportunity for US. It led to it becoming the world's policeman. Since then, you have meddled all over the world. Are you telling me you are not aware of this? What was Iraq? Afghanistan? Lebanon? Yemen? Syria? What about your crusade against communism? You mention two American disasters, yet you ask me to give you examples of US meddling. What kind of stupidity is this?

“But the United States was not the nation that allied itself with Nazi Germany to invade Poland in 1939 and later murder over 20,000 Polish prisoners of war in the Katyn forest.”

I am aware. I do not deny history. Unlike you, I tell the truth. I am no patriot. I am from far south of Russia and my family are Jews. What I do not want to see is war and destruction and foreign meddling.

@emiliya
Oh. That's weird. What does "Russia' mean in your profile location then?

@beckyromero It is my place of birth and nationality. What I am saying to you is that things are more complex than you think. You use deceptive language and try to say we are alike. We are not alike.

@beckyromero
Indeed. But that specific event was no war, you specifically mentioned a war to reestablish the Soviet Union. However I'm willing to work with your logic on this.


Wait, so you're aware that Sevastopol, where Russia LEGALLY had its Black Sea Fleet stationed, is in Crimea? Cool.



I wonder why Putin suddenly felt the urge to secure his Black Sea Fleet... Hmm. Something must’ve been happening in Ukraine around that time... some kind of political shake-up, maybe? A little unrest? Can't quite put my finger on it...🤔. Do you know?

@emiliya
And for three good reasons.

One is called the Pacific Ocean. Another called the Atlantic Ocean. And the third? We simply didn't have the massive armies that Germany, Russia, Great Britain and France could put in the field.

But, since you broached the question, which foreign war do you think we could have intervened in?


Mostly good, sometimes not so good. I've never said I've agreed with all of our actions. The problems started with Eisenhower, then intensified with LBJ and Nixon.

If you haven't read, I've stated more than once my issues with Ike. And that both he, Kennedy and LBJ should have taken the advice of retired Gen. Douglas MacArthur not to get involved in a land war in southeast Asia (i.e. Vietnam).


Iraq had invaded Kuwait. The U.S.S.R. even voted WITH us in the UN Security Council resolution to authorize the use of force.

Iraq had also used chemical weapons on Iran. It had attacked Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States. We should have deposed Saddam Hussein in 1991. There would then have been no need to maintain troops in Saudi Arabia or enforce a "no fly zone." There is no need NOW to even maintain troops or bases in the Middle East. Apparently, your reading of my post is quite selective.


Osama bin Laden was given safe haven by the Taliban. End of story.

Interesting you brought up Afghanistan though. The Russians have a history of far more "meddling" there than the U.S. 😂


Lebanon? That was because of Syria. Current issues in Yemen? To maintain freedom of the seas. Syria? Bashar al-Assad and the use of chemical weapons. No surprise that Putin has given him refuge.


What about it? We value freedom.


As I said, I do not agree with everything we have done.

Just because I pnly mentioned Ike/Iran and Vietnam previously, doesn't mean that is an exhaustive list. Those were merely two of the three biggest foreign policy disasters of the U.S. since the end of World War II. The biggest being Ike's armistice with North Korea.

I could add Chile, our constant sucking up to the Saudis, supporting Ferdinand Marcos, the Guatemalan coup d'état in 1954, for example.

If you wish to critique my foreign policy views, perhaps you should read more closely or ask as to what they are before looking at them through your red glasses.

@ImNotHungry
Not quite. Crimea is part of Ukraine, currently occupied ILLEGALLY by Russia.

The Russians had turned over PART of their Black Sea fleet to Ukraine when the USSR broke up. Just like the USSR turned over other military assets to Ukraine and Kazakhstan, including nuclear weapons which both countries foolishing gave up.

But, back to @emiliya's initial question about wars.

Perhaps, just perhaps, if Putin wasn't so interested in reconstituting the Soviet Union bit by bit, the Russians could have offered a proposal to Ukraine to LEASE a naval base in Crimea.

It's not like such a arrangement hasn't been done before.

The British had a long-term lease in Hong Kong. We have one in Cuba.

But Putin's hostility to Ukraine essential killed any such idea before it could get off the ground.

@beckyromero “But, since you broached the question, which foreign war do you think we could have intervened in?”

Ноль. Americans were against foreign interventions. They were right to be.

“Mostly good, sometimes not so good. I've never said I've agreed with all of our actions. The problems started with Eisenhower, then intensified with LBJ and Nixon.”

If you had not become world policeman and unelected Superman after 1945, you would not be able to meddle in Ukraine and cause a terrible war. Do you want to continue your position as global policeman or not? Are you ready to admit your mistakes and step down?

“Iraq had also used chemical weapons on Iran. It had attacked Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States. We should have deposed Saddam Hussein in 1991. There would then have been no need to maintain troops in Saudi Arabia or enforce a "no fly zone." There is no need NOW to even maintain troops or bases in the Middle East. Apparently, your reading of my post is quite selective.”

Middle East has nothing to do with you. You are not ready to step down. Far from it. You give me nothing but manipulative, meaningless platitudes.

“Interesting you brought up Afghanistan though. The Russians have a history of far more "meddling" there than the U.S.”

You are not following, becky. I am anti-war. Russia and US made a horrible mess in Afghanistan.

“What about it? We value freedom.”

This says it all. You are a freak and a monster. You value “freedom”, and therefore believe you have the right to wreak havoc in other countries. You are responsible for the likes of Jihadi John and others. What you do is abhorrent and a stain on the world.

@beckyromero the Crimeans don't consider themselves illegally annexed.

Yes there were disputes over the black sea fleet after the collapse of the Soviet Union, this doesn't take away from the fact there was an agreement that left the majority of the fleet to Russia and Russia retained the right to lease naval bases in Sevastopol for 20 years.

They HAD a treaty called the Kharkov Accords (signed in 2010) which were an extension of the 97' Black Sea Fleet Partition Treaty. The Kharkov Accords extended that lease till 2042.


Ukraine never had nukes. You can disagree, but the reality is Ukraine was only briefly labeled a nuclear power because it inherited Soviet weapons after the USSR collapsed, not because it had operational control. The launch codes were held in Moscow, not Kyiv. Ukraine couldn’t access or launch the warheads by themselves, and given its financial situation at the time, it couldn’t have maintained or developed a nuclear arsenal even if it wanted to...

But you still haven’t explained why, suddenly, on the 27th of February 2014, Putin decided to send troops into Crimea. Nothing was happening in Ukraine? Nothing at all? Just a totally random military move to reestablish the Soviet Union?