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ArtieKat · M
I wonder when the last time was that the IDF killed an actual combatant?
Have you ever seen a statement by Hamas detailing how many of their operatives were killed amongst the general Gazan population, @Hopelandia?
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Hopelandia · M
@ArtieKat Nope. That's why I'm asking.
ArtieKat · M
@Hopelandia I thought not.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@ArtieKat I just saw an Israeli woman cry over her dead husband from the IDF who used to "tell her beautiful stories over how many homes in Gaza he destroyed...and how we would cleanse that filthy strip and build a farm".
There is no moral equivalence.
There is no moral equivalence.
ArtieKat · M
@basilfawlty89 Deflection. If it suits you to deny that these nutters of God hide behind their women's skirts (when they are usually are forced to walk 10 paces behind these warriors) then so be it.
Hopelandia · M
@ArtieKat certainly seen many many statements about how many innocent civilians have been blown to pieces, though. I assume that you believe Hamas's silence means they are losing thousands upon thousands of combatants.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@ArtieKat no, actually what you did was deflection. Everytime someone points out what crime against humanity the IDF recently committed you lot just say "but Hamas" like a Trump supporter with Hillary's emails.
Hasbara tactics won't work here.
Hasbara tactics won't work here.
Hopelandia · M
@ArtieKat Maybe you'd like to point me to a source that shows how many Hamas fighters are actually dying.
ArtieKat · M
@Hopelandia Who knows. I certainly don't know the truth
Hopelandia · M
@ArtieKat
Well I do. Here it is:
On 13 July 2025, an Israeli missile hit a water collection site in Nuseirat, killing at least 8 children and injuring others. The IDF later said the missile “malfunctioned” and missed its intended militant target .
Same day, strikes hit a Gaza City market and residential areas, causing dozens of civilian deaths—UN reports indicate over 58,000 fatalities in Gaza since October .
On 23 March 2025, at least 15 paramedics and aid workers from the Palestine Red Crescent and UNRWA were killed in Rafah when marked ambulances, a fire truck, and Red Crescent vehicles came under fire .
Multiple attacks have damaged or destroyed hospitals, IVF and reproductive health clinics, including the Al‑Basma IVF Centre, where embryos and sperm samples were destroyed in December 2023 .
A UN Commission described a “concerted policy to destroy Gaza’s healthcare system,” citing 82+ attacks on medical facilities, some amounting to war crimes .
More than 90% of school/university buildings, over half of religious and cultural sites, and over 63% of all buildings have been heavily damaged or destroyed often without military necessity .
UN investigators documented Israeli bulldozing of cemeteries across Gaza, including sites in Shajaiye, Beit Hanoun, and Khan Yunis some in search of possible hostages, others raising war crime concerns .
UN and Amnesty International have reported that Israel’s “total siege,”cutting off electricity, water, fuel, food, and medicine, constitutes collective punishment and potentially crimes against humanity or genocide .
As of June 16, 2025, 852 UN aid trucks remained stranded outside Gaza awaiting Israeli permits
Numerous testimonies from detainees and Israeli soldiers revealed systematic use of Palestinians as human shields (“mosquito protocol”) in operations—frequently coercing them to enter dangerous areas .
Over 1.9 million Gaza residents (≈90%) have been forcibly displaced through ad‑hoc evacuation orders, often into unsafe zones still subject to attack .
HRW labeled these actions “ethnic cleansing” and called for halting arms transfers to Israel .
A UN Commission, B’Tselem, and other groups have documented rape, sexual torture, genital mutilation, forced nudity, and other abhorrent abuse of Palestinian women, men, and children, identifying these as systematic, not isolated .
Israel has targeted and killed journalists such as Ismail al-Ghoul and others. Reporters Without Borders stated the IDF “deliberately assassinated journalists,” constituting war crimes .
UN Independent Commission of Inquiry has found credible evidence pointing to war crimes and crimes against humanity, such as extermination, murder, starvation, forced displacement, sexual violence, and collective punishment. It called for full compliance with ICJ orders and ICC investigations .
Amnesty International has concluded intentional genocidal acts, including killing civilians, destroying homes, obstructing humanitarian aid, and enforcing a blockade, constituting crimes against humanity and genocide .
Human Rights Watch has accused the Israeli military of ethnic cleansing, forced transfers, and large-scale civilian targeting in Gaza.
Who knows. I certainly don't know the truth
Well I do. Here it is:
On 13 July 2025, an Israeli missile hit a water collection site in Nuseirat, killing at least 8 children and injuring others. The IDF later said the missile “malfunctioned” and missed its intended militant target .
Same day, strikes hit a Gaza City market and residential areas, causing dozens of civilian deaths—UN reports indicate over 58,000 fatalities in Gaza since October .
On 23 March 2025, at least 15 paramedics and aid workers from the Palestine Red Crescent and UNRWA were killed in Rafah when marked ambulances, a fire truck, and Red Crescent vehicles came under fire .
Multiple attacks have damaged or destroyed hospitals, IVF and reproductive health clinics, including the Al‑Basma IVF Centre, where embryos and sperm samples were destroyed in December 2023 .
A UN Commission described a “concerted policy to destroy Gaza’s healthcare system,” citing 82+ attacks on medical facilities, some amounting to war crimes .
More than 90% of school/university buildings, over half of religious and cultural sites, and over 63% of all buildings have been heavily damaged or destroyed often without military necessity .
UN investigators documented Israeli bulldozing of cemeteries across Gaza, including sites in Shajaiye, Beit Hanoun, and Khan Yunis some in search of possible hostages, others raising war crime concerns .
UN and Amnesty International have reported that Israel’s “total siege,”cutting off electricity, water, fuel, food, and medicine, constitutes collective punishment and potentially crimes against humanity or genocide .
As of June 16, 2025, 852 UN aid trucks remained stranded outside Gaza awaiting Israeli permits
Numerous testimonies from detainees and Israeli soldiers revealed systematic use of Palestinians as human shields (“mosquito protocol”) in operations—frequently coercing them to enter dangerous areas .
Over 1.9 million Gaza residents (≈90%) have been forcibly displaced through ad‑hoc evacuation orders, often into unsafe zones still subject to attack .
HRW labeled these actions “ethnic cleansing” and called for halting arms transfers to Israel .
A UN Commission, B’Tselem, and other groups have documented rape, sexual torture, genital mutilation, forced nudity, and other abhorrent abuse of Palestinian women, men, and children, identifying these as systematic, not isolated .
Israel has targeted and killed journalists such as Ismail al-Ghoul and others. Reporters Without Borders stated the IDF “deliberately assassinated journalists,” constituting war crimes .
UN Independent Commission of Inquiry has found credible evidence pointing to war crimes and crimes against humanity, such as extermination, murder, starvation, forced displacement, sexual violence, and collective punishment. It called for full compliance with ICJ orders and ICC investigations .
Amnesty International has concluded intentional genocidal acts, including killing civilians, destroying homes, obstructing humanitarian aid, and enforcing a blockade, constituting crimes against humanity and genocide .
Human Rights Watch has accused the Israeli military of ethnic cleansing, forced transfers, and large-scale civilian targeting in Gaza.
ArtieKat · M
@Hopelandia You may believe what you want to believe. Just to be perfectly clear: I'm not defending Israel or the IDF, but the UN has already been discredited on a number of occasions.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@ArtieKat what's more likely:
The UN, HRW, Amnesty International and Genocide Scholars are all lying and only Israel tells the truth.
Israel is lying.
Let's Occam's Razor that quickly.
The UN, HRW, Amnesty International and Genocide Scholars are all lying and only Israel tells the truth.
Israel is lying.
Let's Occam's Razor that quickly.
ArtieKat · M
@Hopelandia
So, UNWRA were teaching a totally balanced curriculum, were they?
Teaching children differing viewpoints is not indoctrination. Teaching them one viewpoint and punishing them for disagreeing is, though
So, UNWRA were teaching a totally balanced curriculum, were they?
Hopelandia · M
@ArtieKat I'm not believing anything. I'm stating facts.
And it's not just the UN who are outlining Israel's atrocities. And by the way, pretending you're not defending Israel or the IDF is a disgusting lie. You've already essentially said you don't believe anything the UN says because "they've been discredited before".
And it's not just the UN who are outlining Israel's atrocities. And by the way, pretending you're not defending Israel or the IDF is a disgusting lie. You've already essentially said you don't believe anything the UN says because "they've been discredited before".
ArtieKat · M
@basilfawlty89 Or none of them are telling the truth?
Hopelandia · M
@ArtieKat Deflection deflection deflection.
Hopelandia · M
@ArtieKat
Your lack of humanity is becoming increasingly evident :(
or none of them are telling the truth
Your lack of humanity is becoming increasingly evident :(
ArtieKat · M
@Hopelandia Inconvenient truth isn't it that an organ of the UN wasn't unpartisan?
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Hopelandia · M
@ArtieKat As I say again, you believe that Israel's atrocities are lies.
ArtieKat · M
@Hopelandia And I repeat, I am not defending Israel or the IDF.
Hopelandia · M
@ArtieKat If you cared about human life at all, you would admit that Israel is carrying out a genocide in Gaza, because the evidence is overwhelming.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@ArtieKat what incentive do the UN, HRW, Amnesty and genocide scholars have to lie?
Meanwhile, Israel does, because a genocide denied is a genocide you don't get prosecuted for as was the case for the Ottoman Turks.
Meanwhile, Israel does, because a genocide denied is a genocide you don't get prosecuted for as was the case for the Ottoman Turks.
ArtieKat · M
@Hopelandia Oh "genocide"! Such a loaded term. There has been no court case to establish it. I might have more respect if you could just admit that Hamas are brutal savages who knew full well what would rain down on the citizens of Gaza. But you won't, will you? Your political dogma won't allow that, will it?
ArtieKat · M
@basilfawlty89
what incentive do the UN, HRW, Amnesty and genocide scholars have to lie?
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