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@ididntknow Who invaded a sovereign nation?
Who fired the first shot?
Who broke the Minsk agreement?
Answer: Putin.

Now you know.

@JSul3 you are wrong, provocation by Ukraine and the west are to blame,
Would America allow China to put rockets on the Mexico border with America, that is what America the west and NATO expect Russia to allow on its border with Ukraine, you should really try and look at this from both sides, not just the propagandists view from western media

@ididntknow Are you that blind to facts?

Ukraine gave up all their nukes for assurance that Russia would leave them alone to live their lives.

Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.

Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.

They were told at the time that the United States and Western powers — so certainly at least the United States and Great Britain — take their political commitments really seriously. This is a document signed at the highest level by the heads of state. So the implication was Ukraine would not be left to stand alone and face a threat should it come under one.

Putin broke that agreement.

@ididntknow Russia is both the aggressor and the provoker here. Ukraine became passive after the dissolution of the USSR under the assurance that their neighbours would protect them. That never happened with their NATO request not being approved.

@MeisterAndrew you don’t seem to be open to learning, your views seem to be set in stone,

@ididntknow Pot+kettle

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@MeisterAndrew is a strange bird. I cannot figure him out. He said he is South African (presumably white); and yet, he doesn't realize that the western bloc caused the downfall of the South African Government leading to the whites getting thrashed by the blacks. It was the same in Rhodesia now known as Zimbabwe. The western bloc practices a double standard. Why doesn't the western bloc support the overthrow of the whites in Australia and New Zealand?

@sree251 Shows why only knowing some of the facts is a dangerous thing. You sound like a white supremacist. Not everyone supported apartheid and the then nationalist government. It was something that was always going to end. Nobody overthrew the government. The problem came in with a deviation and compromise from what was originally envisioned in the freedom charter and not going for a fully open and democratic system but also not restricting who can take part. That is something that still has to be rectified which is inevitable with no party that will ever have a majority again and South Africa becoming increasingly federal.