We Dare Not Say about the Ukraine War

@BohemianBoo America treats the world like a checkers board.

@GeistInTheMachine That's just global politics, BAY-BAY!
All I care about is if the results are good. Funding Ukraine to beat back an attack from a fascist country is good.

@BohemianBoo An American (If you are American) calling another country fascist is pretty damn rich.

That's just geopolitics because the US plays it that way and crys foul when chickens come home to roost...

Its what the CIA itself coined as BLOWBACK.

I.e. Actions have Consequences.

America needs to learn not to stick it's hand where it doesn't belong.

North American matters pertain to North America, Asian to Asia, Europe to Europe, Africa to Africa, Eastern Europe to Eastern Europe, etc.

The world would be better if everyone minded their own business as much as reasonably possible and engaged in mutually beneficial trade.

@GeistInTheMachine [quote]An American (If you are American) calling another country fascist is pretty damn rich.[/quote]

This is just another form of bothsidesing which has led to the normalization of real Fascism in America.
No, America is not fascist, we still have democratic elections. Russia is fascist. However, the Republicans are counting on people like you to help them eliminate our Democracy.

@BohemianBoo I say it's rich because the USA has a history of propping up and installing fascist dictatorships. I would know, I am Dominican, and the US almost got my family killed before I was born, and my grandfather was imprisoned by a US backed dictator and my uncle had a gun pointed to his head by an American soldier who invaded.

Your democracy is weak because you broke it the same way you broke that of other countries. You undermined your own democracy.

I don't think America is fascist. It has those tendancies, though, I've seen it grow and I predicted this sort of fae right swing would happen should Trump be elected. I am not surprised.

Russia is close to the line of fascist, if not over it. Sure. But that was forseeable and not inevitable. America gutted and took advantage and exploited Russia in the 90's. America could have been their friends. They fucked them up and pushed them away. Same as they did to Latin America and other regions.

The US hegemony does that shit. Then it
acts like its shit doesn't stink.

Putin tried to be friendly at first. Look what happened. Does it make what he did right? No. Of course not.

@GeistInTheMachine [quote] I say it's rich because the USA has a history of propping up and installing fascist dictatorships.[/quote]

That doesn't mean America is fascist.

[quote]Your democracy is weak because you broke it the same way you broke that of other countries. You undermined your own democracy.[/quote]

And there are many ways that happened. One of the ways was through bothsidesing, which is what you're doing.

[quote]America gutted and took advantage and exploited Russia in the 90's. America could have been their friends.[/quote]

Russia was a dictatorship during the 90's too.

Intervention isn't inherently good or bad, it depends on the specific case. Funding Israel is bad. Funding Ukraine is good.

@GeistInTheMachine [quote]An American (If you are American) calling another country fascist is pretty damn rich.[/quote]

This is really brain-damaged rhetoric; Bohemian over here isn't responsible for the way his government is, and if you've seen him around here, he's very clearly against all the actual fascistic shit the US government does and supports.

[quote]North American matters pertain to North America, Asian to Asia, Europe to Europe, Africa to Africa, Eastern Europe to Eastern Europe, etc.

The world would be better if everyone minded their own business as much as reasonably possible and engaged in mutually beneficial trade.[/quote]

Things like conquest and genocide are really everybody's business. The people most hurt in these situations are overwhelmingly innocent civilians who have very little control over their situation. If someone has the means to stop a kid from getting hit with an artillery shell on their way to fetch water, then they should take that opportunity. I could see some argument that it'd be better on average if there were some magical geopolitics forcefield between continents or whatever, but unless you can actually create that as a physical thing, the most malevolent governments aren't gonna respect that anyway so trying to do it unilaterally would give an even worse outcome.

[quote]Russia is close to the line of fascist, if not over it. Sure. But that was forseeable and not inevitable. America gutted and took advantage and exploited Russia in the 90's. America could have been their friends. They fucked them up and pushed them away. Same as they did to Latin America and other regions.[/quote]

Okay, I agree that the US probably shoulda given aid to Russia unconditionally and that that would've given them better results, but this was not the "same as they did in Latin America." The US has staged coup after coup and invasion after invasion all throughout central and south America. We've funded powerful rebel groups, our guns exports have funded fucking cartels that have plundered and ravaged the bulk of Mexico. Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but these are just two categorically different things.

@BlueVeins You need to chill out. I never said he was responsible for his gov. Read all I wrote. I was saying I though it was ironic that he was throwing the word fascist around, and I explained why I thought that from my perspective.

Also, again I never said the US was fascist. You both need to stop putting words in my mouth.

He is saying I am calling the US fascist, which I am not.

And you are saying I am holding him responsible for his government's actions, which is laughable.