We Dare Not Say about the Ukraine War

It has to be said: The US instigated a proxy war with Russia.

Russia is wrong for invading Ukraine. But the US set the stage for this hell that the people of Ukraine are going through.

Even Biden himself is on video saying that NATO expansion will not end well.

This shit has been ongoing for a long time, folks.

It's not new, or out of the gold and blue.

It's the usual Red White and Blue.

It all comes down to Uncle Sam.

And I hate to say it, because believe it or not, I do love this country a lot.

I don't like the government/corporate duopoly.

It makes me sad to see this great country slowly decline. Through it's own barbaric tendancies.

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LeopoldBloom · M

Ukraine was at least ten years away from joining NATO. We didn’t make Putin invade.

GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M

@LeopoldBloom I agree that the US didn't make putin do anything. That is not the point I am making. I feel the US baited this situation. Putin still holds blame for actually pulling the trigger. Especially with the sloppy performance. Would have been better to have been a clean decapitation. Would have been best not done at all. Would have been Godly for the US to stay in it's own borders and to stay out of Asian and Middle Eastern affairs too.

LeopoldBloom · M

@GeistInTheMachine If the US baited Russia, then Saddam Hussein baited our invasion of Iraq. For the record, I was one of the "focus group" members (as President Howdy Doody called us) who protested the war before it started.

Putin has had Russian soldiers fighting without insignia ("little green men") in eastern Ukraine since at least 2014. He's mad that the Ukrainian people tossed out his corrupt puppet Poroshenko and elected a pro-Western president. Our mistake was not responding when Russia took over Crimea. The puppet certainly wasn't going to do anything.

This is 100% on Putin and 0% on the U.S. I agree that we've engaged in way too much foreign interference, but Ukraine isn't an example of that.

GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M

@LeopoldBloom If I were you I wouldn't bring up Saddam to bolster your case. In Killing Saddam the US created a vaccum which let to ISIS.

Then they armed the so called " moderate rebels" in Syria , and you saw ISIS running around with 'Merican guns and supplies.

Russia actually helped clean that mess up in an ugly way, sadly.

And also you have the Taliban now strutting around with American weapons in Afgjanistan.

What a joke. It's so sad. America just keeps shitting the bed, shitting on the world and creating chaos.

American people need to hit the breaks and wake the hell up.

LeopoldBloom · M

@GeistInTheMachine I'm bringing up Saddam as an example of how conservatives defended the invasion - "he made us do it." Don't be surprised if a radical Ukrainian group appears if Russia manages to overthrow the legitimate Ukrainian government.

Many of us do want to end the insanity. There just aren't enough of us.