A cut and paste needing your comments re the war in Ukraine.

The reason why Europe is currently destabilized is the US. To a lesser degree the feckless Europeans have contributed but the endless provocation by our CIA and State Department caused this conflict. We have had many opportunities to acknowledge the existence of Russia, and it harms us not at all to permit them prestige in a cooperative manner, but no, we would not tolerate that. We just kept at it, trying to evolve Russia into the new world order of slaves and their digital masters. This idiocy will obliterate NATO, and destroy our currency. The US will no longer be a world power and sadly, no longer a democracy. This is just, because we have shown to be as evil as any former dictatorship, Nazis included. Wuhan bioweapon? Stolen elections? Murderous wars on innocent people? All the evils attendant with this propaganda, the famines created by climate change, the race-baiting, the persecution of innocents. The murderous mrna experiment? The encouragement of China? We are reaping what we (our perverse elites) have sown.

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Lhayezee · 26-30, F

@WalterF The expression is what drew my interest I suppose!

The content is broadly the same kind of hackneyed 'gotchya' whataboutism that foreign critiques of the US (and UK) tend to make, especially and I guess most (in)famously, comment-bots which broadly are sponsored by the Russian state.

I was particularly thinking about the notion that "We have had many opportunities to acknowledge the existence of Russia", (as though Russia somehow isn't acknowledged!), which is a sort of elementary misdirection ("NATO didn't let us do what we want, so our [Russia's] invasion of Ukraine all their fault"). It's a whole level below "she wore a miniskirt so of course she wanted it" as victim-blaming.

Of course I could be wrong, but in which case while I'd suggest that it's actually very patriotic to point out the flaws in one's own country (in order to try and remove them), this reads more as a screed of "bad stuff tangentially related to the matter at hand", and again is just primary-level whataboutary.

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@Lhayezee You only need listen to Lavrov or Peskov speak to know this is exactly how Russians misuse the vernacular when speaking in English.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LegendofPeza The only Russian/Nazi bot on this thread is you.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Lhayezee So you are oblivious to what the US and UK have been doing for centuries? Really? What was the war in Iraq all about? How about Libya? Maybe Afghanistan? Why was the Trump impeachment all about Ukraine? Why was the US running bioweapons labs in Ukraine and why did the US create covid and the killer jabs?

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@hippyjoe1955 So the Russians are Nazis too ?

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LegendofPeza They were like you both socialists. They believed in the power of the state and were willing to kill to augment the state's power.

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@hippyjoe1955 The Nazis weren't socialists Joe ....... we've been here before , remember ?

If you still want to maintain that fiction , then you are beyond reasoning with.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LegendofPeza Nazis were socialist and recognized as such by other socialists of their time. Socialism is a killer philosophy and you are a true believer even to the extent of denying socialism's failures such as nazism.

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@hippyjoe1955 Apart from anything else , I'm not a socialist.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LegendofPeza Yeah you are. You believe in the power of the state to control people's lives. You think that the state is wiser than the individual. You are a socialist and a nazi. Nice try but no sale.

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@hippyjoe1955 You are a fool and a fabulist. Enjoy your madness.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LegendofPeza you are a nazi. I take any slur you give as a compliment. The fact is you can't refute what I said.

LegendofPeza · 61-69, M

@hippyjoe1955 I already did , fuckwit.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LegendofPeza spoken like the Nazi you truly are.