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Russia’s unlawful transfer of civilians a war crime ...

From Amnesty International: Russia’s unlawful transfer of civilians a war crime and likely a crime against humanity

Many of us have wondered and discussed what possible reasons Russia had for invading Ukraine in 2014 and expanding the war this year.

Russia's stated reasons have proven to be (as expected) outright lies. Russia claimed it sought to protect ethnic Russians within Ukraine's borders from "Nazis". And yet Russia has indiscriminately killed ethnic Russian and Ukrainians alike in its war on civilians.

So what is this war about?

Well, it is about what all wars have been about: resources. But the sick evil twist of this war of aggression to seize resources is that it is not just Ukraine's oil and gas that Russia wants to seize, but her children as well.

Russia is a dying empire. It's young people are leaving in droves for better lives in the West. It's population demographics are a nightmare for its future. What it needs more than anything is people and most specifically, young people.



With that in the back of your mind, read this from Amnesty International:


Russia’s unlawful transfer of civilians a war crime and likely a crime against humanity
- Russian forces tortured and deported civilians from Ukraine
- Children separated from families after forcible transfer
- Older people, people with disabilities, and children struggle to leave Russia

Russian authorities forcibly transferred and deported civilians from occupied areas of Ukraine in what amounted to war crimes and likely crimes against humanity, Amnesty International said in a new report published today.

The report, “Like a Prison Convoy”: Russia’s Unlawful Transfer of Civilians in Ukraine and Abuses During ‘Filtration’, details how Russian and Russian-controlled forces forcibly transferred civilians from occupied Ukraine further into Russian-controlled areas or into Russia. Children have been separated from their families during the process, in violation of international humanitarian law.

Civilians told Amnesty International how they were forced through abusive screening processes – known as ‘filtration’ – which sometimes resulted in arbitrary detention, torture, and other ill-treatment.
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Also from the Amnesty International story:
Forcible transfer of children and other at-risk groups
The laws of armed conflict prohibit the individual or mass forcible transfer of protected persons, including civilians, from occupied territory. In several cases, children fleeing without parents or other guardians towards Ukrainian-held territory were stopped at Russian military checkpoints, and transferred into the custody of Russian-controlled authorities in Donetsk.

As mentioned, an 11-year-old boy was separated from his mother during filtration, which violates international humanitarian law. The boy and his mother were captured and detained from the Illich Steel and Iron Works in Mariupol in mid-April by Russian forces.

They told me I was going to be taken away from my mom… I was shocked…

An 11-year-old boy who was separated from his mother
He told Amnesty International: “They took my mom to another tent. She was being questioned… They told me I was going to be taken away from my mom… I was shocked… They didn’t say anything about where my mom was going… I have not heard from her since.”
I just don't see how this ends.
Driving the Russians out of Ukraine isn't it.
And if Russia continues to bombard Ukraines infrastructure -and I've read today on a Ukrainian source they've destroyed over 50% of it-Ukraine is in serious trouble.
No power=no heat.No means to cook.No water =no sanitation.
And they can continue doing that even if they are driven out.
And will Russia pay for their war crimes?
Unlikely.I can't see any top politicians or generals ending up in court.
Only the minions for whom not carrying out orders will see them shot by their own side.
I firmly believe a huge peacekeeping force will be required in Ukraine when this war eventually ends.
But I fear that is many years into the future.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TheSirfurryanimalWales Rest assured, Sir, we have some very intelligent people running scenarios every day. This conflict will be ended and Ukraine will be whole. But it must be done slowly. The Russia you know today won't exist in five years (and this conflict will be over in eighteen months - max).
@sarabee1995 hope you are right.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TheSirfurryanimalWales Your government and mine and several others look at this every single day. 😐
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
It's perfectly obvious who the real nazis are...
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Thinkerbell I don't like to characterize anyone with that label except the actual Nazis of WWII, but the evil taking place here is certainly approaching the same level.
SW-User
The inhumanity of Putin and those doing his bidding in this war is staggering.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SW-User The human capacity for cruelty is staggering. He is simply the latest embodiment. 😔
SW-User
@sarabee1995 I thought we were beyond the era of Attila the Hun but seemingly not...
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SW-User Not by a long shot. Evil exists in this world. It is resident in our collective soul.

It is on us all to be ever vigilant lest it consume us all.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
Thats some bronze age stuff
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@vetguy1991 Yup, for sure. They are literally stealing a generation of Ukrainians. Tens of thousands so far.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
@sarabee1995 read how the Babylonian empire did around 600 bc
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
The Russians are stealing Ukrainian children ? And they’re using “protection from Nazism" as an excuse ?
Ironically, that’s precisely what the Nazis did. 😳

During World War II, around 200,000[4][5][6][7] ethnic Polish children as well as an unspecified number of children of other ethnicities were abducted from their homes and forcibly transported to Nazi Germany for purposes of forced labour, medical experimentation, or Germanization.

An aim of the project was to acquire and "Germanize" children with purportedly Aryan-Nordic traits, who were considered by Nazi officials to be descendants of German settlers who had emigrated to Poland. Those labelled "racially valuable" were forcibly Germanized in centres and then sent to German families and SS Home Schools.[8]
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@bijouxbroussard Yup. This is one of the many less well known evils perpetrated during WWII.
Spotpot · 41-45, M
I wonder what they do with these people.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Spotpot The forcibly repopulate their dead and dying regions.

Take the time to Google the phrase "russification"... this has been the standard M.O. of the Russian empire ever since they expelled the Mongol Horde.
antonioioio · 70-79, M
The Western countries have a lot to answer for too
When they left Putin get away it in 2014 what else was Putin going to do, only invade all of Ukraine
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@antonioioio I don't think there would have been the political possibility to sanction Russia the way it is now, though. The EU would never have gone for it.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@antonioioio
1) In 2014 there wasn't the Ukrainian military framework there is today. It would've been impossible to support Ukraine back then the way we are now. So instead, we (the USA, the UK, Australia, and many others) built up the Ukrainian armed forces so they could be supported in defense of their sovereign nation in the event of broadened conflict.

2) What what was Putin going to do? Oh idk... obey international law? obey the terms of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum that Russia signed? respect the territorial integrity of it's neighbor? not slaughter civilians, kidnap children, and commit atrocities?
There's a few things he could've done.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
The evil committed by Putin is impossible to fathom.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Fukfacewillie For most of us, yes. But it must be confronted.
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@MarmeeMarch Did you not read the Amnesty International excerpts above? I guess the word "torture" doesn't mean much to you?
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