Republicans and Ukraine conflict

I know that many brown shirt Republicans feel that NATO is bullying and threatening Russia over Ukraine and that Biden should be held for Treason because of what is happening in Ukraine so my questions are;

Following a Republican victory in the elections the decision is made to pull all military and financial support from the UN and Ukraine and to let Putin have Ukraine and allow the billions saved from Ukraine to be kept for the US.

In what way will pulling support for Ukraine benefit the US population, jobs and economy knowing that Putin has plans for the expansion of the greater Russian empire beyond Europes borders?

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CountScrofula · 41-45, M

It wouldn't and I say this as someone with a pretty cynical view of the conflict. The Republican line on this is partially true. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was a direct response to NATO enlargement and was (probably) entirely preventable.

This does not make Russia a good guy. Russia are explicitly villains who have invaded a sovereign country and are causing untold human harm.

All of this stuff is about geopolitical games between the billionaire class whether it be Russian or American oligarchs. There's always a lot of money to be made, but it's rarely money that goes to average working people since even if there's new economic activity, that money goes straight to the top.

What's interesting to me is that the Republicans taking a pro-Russia stance on this is the collapse of the decades-long bipartisan consensus on geopolitics which is very... destabilizing. Both political parties have always supported whatever wars are going on until Trump took office and now it appears that split is permanent.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@CountScrofula I also find this interesting. The Republicans used to be the biggest war hawks with Bill Crystal etc. Now they seem genuinely divided and frankly unsure. Obviously, this is not for leftist or internationalist reasons but nationalist and isolationist ones.
I think it is about the US Ruling class having different strategies for managing the decline of American hegemony. Some want to maintain it and rage against the dying of the light but some want to prioritise limited domestic interests. Weirdly, the Democrats are now the bigger hawks because they cling to the old view of liberal interventionism.

The arguments made in public that "We don't want to pay for other countries' defence,' pretends that the generous UN funding, the Marshal plan and maintaining hundreds of military bases aboard was about altruism. Of course, it wasn't. There does seem to be genuine confusion though about what is in America's interests. In pulling out of Afghanistan and supporting Ukraine hard, the Biden administration reflects this confusion perfectly.

justanothername · 51-55, M

@CountScrofula Natos build up at the time was in response to Putins rhetoric around invading Ukraine. EUROPE didn’t want another 1939 style Hitler invasion of Europe from Putin.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@justanothername Right sorry, I forgot that geopolitics are not complicated and they're very simple. There's a bad guy and he was gonna do just like Hitler (who was the baddest bad guy) and the good guys are stopping him and that's all there is to the story. My mistake.

justanothername · 51-55, M

@CountScrofula my point, and my understanding is that Putin has had an agenda for the past 10 years or so where it was his desire to turn Russia into the fortress it was under Peter the Great and Joseph Stalin. That fortress spread much further than the Russia of today. So regardless of whether Trump was at the helm or someone else it wasnt going to matter. Russia would be feared by the west under Putins rule.

That mind set is what NATO is up against.

A man who has no issues about sending millions of Russian men to their death on the battle field because that’s exactly what Stalin did when achieving a Greater Russia.