What do you think about the riots/protests in the US?
Do laws matter? What is new about immigration that now makes it ok to do so illegally?
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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
When it comes to Los Angeles, it's an area with a large population of Hispanics. Undocumented immigrants have been integrating themselves into those neighborhoods for decades. We're talking about people's family, friends, neighbors, coworkers and partners. People that contribute positively to their lives.
Then you take Donald Trump's approach of calling and conflating these people with violent criminals, it stands in total contrast with the reality they live and see every day. It's not going to win his administration any favors.
Seeing his heavy-handed tactic of sending in numbers of armed men in special ops gear and helicopters to pick up line cooks and day-laborers, to smash windows and drag people out of their cars that pose no harm to the community, to drag people out of court who were actively trying to abide by the law, and you're going to get genuine fear and anger. It's a blatant abuse of power.
This whole protest started as a result of ICE agents performing a raid right near an elementary school that was having a graduation ceremony where Hispanic families were gathered to celebrate their child's academic achievements. There was a viral TikTok video of a grown man reduced to tears at seeing how traumatized these children and families were at this immigration raid really spoke volumes to people in the area.
Maybe it's misinformation or concerned community members or a mix of both, but that was really the straw that broke the camel's back. When people start messing around with your kids, that's generally going invoke a lot of anger and pushback.
Creating and exploiting divisions within a population is what authoritarian leaders all throughout history have done. Trump knows or has people in his circle that know that making ICE's presence felt in these immigrant communities was going to inflame a lot of tensions.
It's important to remember that the world of politics is dominated by narratives. When you can control the narrative, you can control public opinion. Trump knows from 2020 that people are not going to take the abuse of justice lightly. At some point there was going to be retaliation and protests, that the mob mentality would take over, and that would be all the justification he needed to send in the military. It's an intimidation tactic. Reports on the ground were that police had largely contained the rioting and the troops were unnecessary.
I don't condone the actions of any of the parties involved, but it's important to remember the words of one of history's greatest protester, Martin Luther King Jr.
Then you take Donald Trump's approach of calling and conflating these people with violent criminals, it stands in total contrast with the reality they live and see every day. It's not going to win his administration any favors.
Seeing his heavy-handed tactic of sending in numbers of armed men in special ops gear and helicopters to pick up line cooks and day-laborers, to smash windows and drag people out of their cars that pose no harm to the community, to drag people out of court who were actively trying to abide by the law, and you're going to get genuine fear and anger. It's a blatant abuse of power.
This whole protest started as a result of ICE agents performing a raid right near an elementary school that was having a graduation ceremony where Hispanic families were gathered to celebrate their child's academic achievements. There was a viral TikTok video of a grown man reduced to tears at seeing how traumatized these children and families were at this immigration raid really spoke volumes to people in the area.
Maybe it's misinformation or concerned community members or a mix of both, but that was really the straw that broke the camel's back. When people start messing around with your kids, that's generally going invoke a lot of anger and pushback.
Creating and exploiting divisions within a population is what authoritarian leaders all throughout history have done. Trump knows or has people in his circle that know that making ICE's presence felt in these immigrant communities was going to inflame a lot of tensions.
It's important to remember that the world of politics is dominated by narratives. When you can control the narrative, you can control public opinion. Trump knows from 2020 that people are not going to take the abuse of justice lightly. At some point there was going to be retaliation and protests, that the mob mentality would take over, and that would be all the justification he needed to send in the military. It's an intimidation tactic. Reports on the ground were that police had largely contained the rioting and the troops were unnecessary.
I don't condone the actions of any of the parties involved, but it's important to remember the words of one of history's greatest protester, Martin Luther King Jr.
Riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. ... But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard ... large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Steve42 Social media is a powerful thing. Seeing ICE agents using wildly disproportionate force and being apathetic to the humanity of the people they're arresting isn't going to win them any points. Stephen Miller has a long track record of relying on cruelty to achieve results
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
@TinyViolins Such an insightful analysis. Thank you.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@TinyViolins
It doesn't matter how long the integration has been, it is still illegal to live hidden among Americans in America. Those Americans who harbor illegals are also culpable and need to be arrested also. For example, a Mexican restaurant owner who hire illegals is violating the law.
Criminals are criminals whether they are violent or not. All poisonous snakes are dangerous even if some have not bitten you.
When use of power is necessary, you blame the line cooks and day-laborers rather than law enforcement. I use a mouse trap to deal with rodents that have no business coming into my house. Sure it is heavy handed. When it snaps, it draws blood. I am the community, and it doesn't include the rats that came into my house.
You are siding with the rats. We are suffering a rodent infestation and you are complaining about the exterminator doing his job setting traps and poison boxes? Pest extermination cost money in terms of taxpayers' money.
No law enforcement would mess with you if you are not consorting with and harboring pests in America. If you like living with rats, move to Mexico.
The whole USA is is an immigrant community. Don't conflate citizens with illegals.
Watch the TV. The street violence is ongoing on live TV. Why would the military be mobilized to deal with law-abiding citizens?
Martin did not jump on cars waving the Mexican flag.
When it comes to Los Angeles, it's an area with a large population of Hispanics. Undocumented immigrants have been integrating themselves into those neighborhoods for decades. We're talking about people's family, friends, neighbors, coworkers and partners. People that contribute positively to their lives.
It doesn't matter how long the integration has been, it is still illegal to live hidden among Americans in America. Those Americans who harbor illegals are also culpable and need to be arrested also. For example, a Mexican restaurant owner who hire illegals is violating the law.
Then you take Donald Trump's approach of calling and conflating these people with violent criminals, it stands in total contrast with the reality they live and see every day. It's not going to win his administration any favors.
Criminals are criminals whether they are violent or not. All poisonous snakes are dangerous even if some have not bitten you.
Seeing his heavy-handed tactic of sending in numbers of armed men in special ops gear and helicopters to pick up line cooks and day-laborers, to smash windows and drag people out of their cars that pose no harm to the community, to drag people out of court who were actively trying to abide by the law, and you're going to get genuine fear and anger. It's a blatant abuse of power.
When use of power is necessary, you blame the line cooks and day-laborers rather than law enforcement. I use a mouse trap to deal with rodents that have no business coming into my house. Sure it is heavy handed. When it snaps, it draws blood. I am the community, and it doesn't include the rats that came into my house.
This whole protest started as a result of ICE agents performing a raid right near an elementary school that was having a graduation ceremony where Hispanic families were gathered to celebrate their child's academic achievements. There was a viral TikTok video of a grown man reduced to tears at seeing how traumatized these children and families were at this immigration raid really spoke volumes to people in the area.
You are siding with the rats. We are suffering a rodent infestation and you are complaining about the exterminator doing his job setting traps and poison boxes? Pest extermination cost money in terms of taxpayers' money.
Maybe it's misinformation or concerned community members or a mix of both, but that was really the straw that broke the camel's back. When people start messing around with your kids, that's generally going invoke a lot of anger and pushback.
No law enforcement would mess with you if you are not consorting with and harboring pests in America. If you like living with rats, move to Mexico.
Creating and exploiting divisions within a population is what authoritarian leaders all throughout history have done. Trump knows or has people in his circle that know that making ICE's presence felt in these immigrant communities was going to inflame a lot of tensions.
The whole USA is is an immigrant community. Don't conflate citizens with illegals.
It's important to remember that the world of politics is dominated by narratives. When you can control the narrative, you can control public opinion. Trump knows from 2020 that people are not going to take the abuse of justice lightly. At some point there was going to be retaliation and protests, that the mob mentality would take over, and that would be all the justification he needed to send in the military. It's an intimidation tactic. Reports on the ground were that police had largely contained the rioting and the troops were unnecessary.
Watch the TV. The street violence is ongoing on live TV. Why would the military be mobilized to deal with law-abiding citizens?
I don't condone the actions of any of the parties involved, but it's important to remember the words of one of history's greatest protester, Martin Luther King Jr.
Martin did not jump on cars waving the Mexican flag.
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
@TinyViolins are you from LA? That’s messed up if it’s true… if they’ve been there for decades and they’re totally integrated in the community. They shouldn’t be deported at all!!!
ElwoodBlues · M
@sree251 Remember when tRump said he was only going to get "the worst of the worst" off our streets? That's not what's happening.
What's happening is ICE agents are desperate to fill quotas, and they're grabbing people with brown skin and an accent - even if they're citizens - and denying them due process.
What's happening is ICE agents are desperate to fill quotas, and they're grabbing people with brown skin and an accent - even if they're citizens - and denying them due process.
A U.S.-born citizen who was wrestled into the dirt, handcuffed and detained in a vehicle as part of an immigration raid had a REAL ID on him that was dismissed as fake, the man's cousin said Friday.
Video of the arrest, aired by Noticias Telemundo, showed authorities grabbing Leonardo Garcia Venegas, 25, while at a job site in Foley, Alabama, on Wednesday and bending his arms behind him. Someone off-camera can be heard yelling, "He's a citizen."
Garcia told Noticias Telemundo that authorities took his ID from his wallet and told him it was fake before handcuffing him. REAL ID is the identification U.S. citizens are required by law to have in order to travel through airports and enter federal buildings. It is considered a higher security form of identification.
"Apparently a REAL ID is not valid anymore. He has a REAL ID," his cousin Shelah Venegas said. "We all made sure we have the REAL ID and went through the protocols the administration is asking for. ... He has his REAL ID and then they see him and I guess because his English isn't fluent and/or because he's brown it's fake, it's not real."
Video of the arrest, aired by Noticias Telemundo, showed authorities grabbing Leonardo Garcia Venegas, 25, while at a job site in Foley, Alabama, on Wednesday and bending his arms behind him. Someone off-camera can be heard yelling, "He's a citizen."
Garcia told Noticias Telemundo that authorities took his ID from his wallet and told him it was fake before handcuffing him. REAL ID is the identification U.S. citizens are required by law to have in order to travel through airports and enter federal buildings. It is considered a higher security form of identification.
"Apparently a REAL ID is not valid anymore. He has a REAL ID," his cousin Shelah Venegas said. "We all made sure we have the REAL ID and went through the protocols the administration is asking for. ... He has his REAL ID and then they see him and I guess because his English isn't fluent and/or because he's brown it's fake, it's not real."