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Why we need a Federal Assault Weapons Ban Law NOW

Woman left with 13 bullet holes after brother took her dancing at Colorado LGBTQ club

Story by Bevan Hurley, The Independent, Nov. 21, 2022

"Charlene Slaugh, 35, and her brother James Slaugh were preparing to leave Club Q on Saturday night when a gunman opened fire, killing five and wounding 25 others...Charlene was shot at least once in the abdomen and suffered a collapsed lung. She is recovering after undergoing surgery and faces a long recovery."

Two AR-15-style weapons were used in the attack.

Read the full story here:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/woman-left-with-13-bullet-holes-after-brother-took-her-dancing-at-colorado-lgbtq-club/ar-AA14naI2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=61a0688fdfda475cbf6709eeebaf44bf
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Johnson212 · 61-69, M
Right, like you can really stop a nutjob from committing crimes, he will just pick another weapon or method which might even be worse. Take his assault weapon away and he just tosses a couple of old whiskey bottles he filled with gasoline and plugged with a rag he lit. End up with more dead and the building burned down. Key is to help these people with mental issues before they get that far. Besides the constitution says we can have these guns to protect ourselves from a government that becomes tyrannical.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Johnson212 We don't have hordes of people throwing Molotov cocktails in countries with strict gun control, so why would you in the US?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Johnson212 The Constitution doesn't say shit about you owning a gun. The Second Amendment allows for the formation of militias to protect ourselves against hostile foreign powers.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Johnson212 I can truly appreciate that you make an effort to support your argument with facts.. But no other method of disposing of human life in a wholesale manner is as easily accessable and protected by law as a gun. (Try walking arount with a milk crate filled with Molatov Cocktails.) And if you cant elect a government you arent afraid of, you really need to try another form of government,.😷
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Johnson212 The Constitution says nothing about being able to own any weapon at any time for any reason. In fact, private gun ownership wasn't fully decided until the Heller v. DC case about 15 years ago. I suggest you read the majority opinion written by Justice Scalia. In it, he--GASP!--talks about the government's right to limit certain weapons and/or having weapons in certain places. Ownership and use of your beloved assault weapons of mass murder is not guaranteed by law.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire Seems you and the supreme court disagree. Arms it says arms, that would be a gun, and people, does not say the right of the militia shall not be infringed, says people and the court affirmed it means people.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Johnson212 IDGAF what the Supreme Court claims to have been the intent behind the second amendment. It's pretty obvious to anybody who isn't a puppet of the NRA.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire Fortunately for us we have a god fearing supreme court to make these decisions and interpretations rather than IDGAF LordShadowfire. Constitution says we can have guns no matter how you liberals want to twist it and say it does not mean what it says.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Johnson212 Nope. Go Look up the definition of a militia. That's if you understand how to read dictionary definitions.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Johnson212 The Supreme Court does not say you can have ANY gun, and that you can have them EVERYWHERE. Even the Supreme Court recognizes that there are limitations to gun ownership. Read the Heller v. DC decision. Educate yourself.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@windinhishair Nobody said any gun anywhere. In fact there is a specific law which meets constitutional tests in the courts which says that it was unlawful for that guy to take that gun to Club Q, you can't bring a gun of any type into a bar or liquor store in Colorado. People want my AR15 to be illegal and for me not to have it anywhere, I am not ok with that.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire Court said you have to look at historical definitions, back then the milita are the people. Besides it does not matter. Perhaps take an english course, there is a comma after militia and after a free state, this seperates thoughts and does not modify the meaning of the last words after the comma which is, ", the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” It mans simply what it says.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Johnson212 Your AR15 should be illegal as it once was, and will be again. We just need a congress with the balls to do what is right. And given the Supreme Court interpretation of the Second Amendment, it should be legal to do so if it is written properly.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Johnson212

*separates
*English
And the sentence "Court said you have to look at historical definitions, back then the milita are the people." should be written as two sentences, or you should be using a semicolon. And switching from past tense to present tense in the same sentence is a huge no-no.

Don't lecture me about grammar, child.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire I won't because it does not matter what you think, only the court who is protecting my rights from you gun grabbers.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@windinhishair It was never illegal, you just for a period of times could not sell or import any and you are not getting any bans through the congress, would not make it through the Senate and now won't make it through the House either.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Johnson212 There was an assault weapons ban in the 1990s and 2000s. And mass shootings decreased. When Americans get tired of having many mass killings every week, they will be banned again. As they should be.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@windinhishair Not going to happen too many people like me who will vote for the anti abortion republicans so keep gun rights. If Biden could have passed it he would have already when he had the Administration, the House and the Senate.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Johnson212 I genuinely empathise with your situation there. US Politics is polarized beyond belief and fuelled by money. Even a pessimist like me would not have believed how bad everything could get.😷
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Johnson212 Wrong. An assault weapons ban would be subject to filibuster by Republicans that are part of the gun cult. Biden couldn't do it unless he had 60 Senators. But eventually so many people will be slaughtered needlessly due to Republican policies that it will pass again.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@windinhishair I wish I had your faith. But I dont see Americans every waking up to this..Ultil there are so few Americans left that there wont be a gun lobby...😷
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman It is human nature to wait to long that things seem absolutely hopeless. It will happen with assault weapons, climate change, the Trump Cult, etc. No one wants to do anything until it is absolutely the last option.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@windinhishair Which is why my solution is for those who want a better life to go elsewhere and find it.. Some of Americas problems are purely American.. Amd even those that are global will be reduced by there being less Americans. (Please understand thats not a criticism of the people. But every thousand less Americans is that much less pollution and climate change..)😷
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman Your point is a good one. However, it is possible to be American and live a less polluting and carbon intensive life. It takes an effort, but it is possible and there are quite a few people who do just that.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@windinhishair I completely agree. And those people should pack up and get out of Dodge ASAP. Trump still has maybe a third of the population on side after all this.. And when you take into account that someone like Liz Cheney is now going to be considered a moderate Republican its hardly a rational playspace. Then you have to disassemble states like South Carolina, Texas and Florida (and the rest) and thats before you even look at having the nation live within its means, let alone pay back the $40 Trillion in debt, while China, Iran, the Saudis and the rest knock the $US off its perch as the reserve trade currency..If I was Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos I wouldnt be scared at all.. But as just another citizen of the US I would be terrified out of my tiny mind and have no hope for my grandkids, who want to plant trees and save the world.. Americas problems are pretty much insurmountable even with every American on side as in WW2. And we know thats not happening..😷
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman I'm more of an optimist. Life never repeats itself, but it often rhymes. I see issues dealt with long ago coming back. The current time has many similarities with the rise of authoritarianism in the 1930s. Even hate seems to go in cycles. I am certain that we will have many challenges and much heartbreak, but also some successes moving forward. And I as an individual can only do so much, so if I force myself to do all that I can, I see that not as hopeless but as a small success. Many individuals doing so makes collective success. If I can make a major difference in the life of just a couple of people, and they do the same, and those do the same, it won't be too many more generations before the successes are profound.