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Should we have listened to Patton?

“I understand the situation. Their (the Soviet) supply system is inadequate to maintain them in a serious action such as I could put to them. They have chickens in the coop and cattle on the hoof — that’s their supply system. They could probably maintain themselves in the type of fighting I could give them for five days. After that it would make no difference how many million men they have, and if you wanted Moscow I could give it to you. They lived on the land coming down. There is insufficient left for them to maintain themselves going back. Let’s not give them time to build up their supplies. If we do, then . . . we have had a victory over the Germans and disarmed them, but we have failed in the liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!”

George S. Patton

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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

Stupid war mongering and anti communist bullshit. Hell the US attacked the USSR in 1917 and they got their asses kicked while the soviets were still fighting a civil war.

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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Fortunately for their adversaries, they dont have to have the greatest military might to overcome America in a fight. The Americans own failure to appreciate Strategy, Logistics and political will do it every time. As long as the Americans dont have the home ground advantage, they wont win. Maybe thats why they call it the "Department of Defense" and not the "Department of pi$$ing off other small countries on the other side of the world".😷

dancingtongue · 80-89, M

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the US attacked the USSR in 1917

How embarrassing for the U.S., given the USSR wasn't even formed for until 5 years later.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@dancingtongue Semantics. The Bolsheviks ran the country and defeated a western invasion and won a civil war at the same time. Patton was a fool.

irishmolly72 · 56-60, F

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Whatever you say, Comrade.

irishmolly72 · 56-60, F

@dancingtongue Russia was defeated by tiny Poland which had just regained its independence in 1919.

Thinkerbell · 41-45, F

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That was mostly a half-hearted British operation in North Russia, 1918-1919.
Churchill correctly said at the time, "Bolshevism is a baby that must be strangled in the cradle," or words to that effect. How right he was.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Thinkerbell And more excuses for botched American foreign policy blunders. Your description of it is also completely bullshit.

He was an idiot much like yourself. Right wing politics tends to appeal to the simple minded.

Be afraid and attack things. No thinking required.

dancingtongue · 80-89, M

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Semantics. The Bolsheviks ran the country and defeated a western invasion and won a civil war at the same time.

Well, since we are on semantics: The U.S. was not actually a part of the "western invasion". Wilson sent troops primarily to protect U.S. supplies that had been sent to the Tsar, help extricate the Czech battalion, keep the trans-siberian railroad and mines operating, and deter the Japanese and others from meddling in a diplomatic resolution. Britain and other western European commanders resented the U.S. forces refusal to become more active. The mission largely failed to accomplish any of the things Wilson had set out to do, but largely due to not playing a more aggressive role.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@dancingtongue You have got to be joking. We are really going to repeat that bullshit pretext?

I have some WMDs to sell you if you believe that.

That is the excuse the US has been using since the 1800s. The problem was not doing enough colonialism and imperial expansion.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@dancingtongue THat is very different from your comment that "It doesn't count because they had not settled on a name yet."

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@Thinkerbell I respectfully disagree. Bolshevism was certainly the enemy of the Status Quo and as such I understand churchills opinion. But remember he was a War time leader, Brilliant in that field. But cast aside by Britain as soon as the danger was past. Bolshevism was never the problem. The ability of men to subvert all forms of government to exert control and profit for themselves at the expense of others is and always will be the problem. Be it Communism, Democracy or Theocracy. Despots will arise and call it Freedom..😷

dancingtongue · 80-89, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I never made that comment; not my words, yours. I joked about how embarrassing it must have been to have lost a war to an entity that hadn't formed yet.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@dancingtongue Fair enough. I guess I got the tone wrong. Felt more like moving the goalposts.

Thinkerbell · 41-45, F

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You're wrong, as always. The American contingent was sent to North Russia at the request of the British and French, who were already there in Archangel, hoping to prevent war materiel originally sent to (Tsarist) Russia for the Eastern Front falling into Bolshevik hands. Wilson did so, against the advice of his own War Department.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Thinkerbell Don't you have somewhere else to be? Didn't Trumpy Pravda launch today?

dancingtongue · 80-89, M

@Thinkerbell Most actually were sent to Vladivostok in the East, for the same reasons. The Archangel expeditionary force was smaller and later, for the reasons you state.

irishmolly72 · 56-60, F

@whowasthatmaskedman @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I would never be ashamed of fighting against a monsterous system of evil. Win, lose or draw. Communism was an abject failure any possible way you look at it.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@Thinkerbell You do know that shit like that is updated when info is declassified right? Try reading something more recent than a public PR piece from 1918.

The primary concern was to depose the Bolsheviks because they were known to be anti war and intended to pull out of WW1. All of the powers involved wanted Russians to keep sending cannon fodder for their game of Risk.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@irishmolly72 And thank you for the John Birch Society cliche.

irishmolly72 · 56-60, F

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You mean it wasn't about Wilson's desire for the creation of a democratic government in Russia? Indoctination really did it's job on you!

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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@irishmolly72 You are joking. The whites were literal monarchists. Wilson like the USA today didn't give a shit about democracy in Russia or anywhere else.

But good job proving indoctrination worked on you. I am surprised you said that unironically.

jackjjackson · M

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