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Oh dear - have we been misled?

[b]The UK government have revealed figures ("official data") that the media seem to have been hiding from us[/b]

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Human1000 · M
When much of a population has been vaccinated, most infections and deaths are expected to be among those vaccinated. Also, this data does not show that people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 are more likely to die from the virus.

When adjusted proportionally to display the rate per 100,000 people in all age groups, the number of COVID-19 deaths is higher in the unvaccinated population than in the vaccinated population, the data shows.

For the over-80s, the rate of death per 100,000 unvaccinated was 156. For those vaccinated, it was 49.5

On Monday at least one patient infected with the new omicron variant of Covid-19 has died in the UK.

Earlier on Monday, U.K. Health Secretary Sajid Javid told the BBC that 10 people were currently in hospital after being infected with the omicron variant.

He said omicron was spreading at a “phenomenal rate” and cases were doubling every few days.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Human1000 you want the covid narrative bad eh. Even when they blatantly lie to your face over and over you convolute and contort reality to fit.

It's not made sense from day 1 and is just bizarre at this point. You don't have to agree with daddy government btw they are known bs artists
Grvstu · 70-79, F
Try telling that to people who have died and / or have been seriously ill. @gol979
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Human1000 As one scientist has pointed out IN A NATIONAL UK NEWSPAPER, the possibility of deceit on this one death is real. Killed by omicron? or rather, dead from some other serious illness, after having "tested positive" for covid version xyz with an unfit-for-purpose PCR test. Smoke and mirrors, fear and doubt, Nacht und Nebel
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Grvstu Do you also have a message for those greater numbers who have died from cancer, through either (1) the fatal nature of cancer, or (2) non-treatment because of the fool's game of lockdowns?
Grvstu · 70-79, F
Members of my family have been seriously ill from Covid. Other people I know have died. What I don’t get to his dummies like you saying it’s all a fake. Now shut up@WalterF
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Grvstu Nobody is saying it's a fake! Only a total idiot (dumies, as you rightly say) would do that! It's extremely dangerous! Unfortunately, cheap and readily available early treatments, trialled and proved in the first months of the pandemic, were banned by America's Friend and Doctor, A. Fauci. So people who caught Covid died.
Grvstu · 70-79, F
Well what are you going on about then. Get jabbed! @WalterF
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Grvstu I have God-given (and therefore at a pretty high level) natural immunity, which is good enough for me. By the way, having turned off the TV in March 2020 for good following the depressing drip-drip of funereal death and fear talk, I am free from the morbid fascination that seems to have turned the populace into cowering, masked victims, who believe the dumb advertising slogan that "nobody is safe till everybody is safe"
Grvstu · 70-79, F
So you have tested and you are full of anti-covid anti-bodies?@WalterF
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Grvstu I have never had that risky blood-brain barrier-threatening invasion up my nose. I know that my body is primed to fight any virus attack. I also know the protocols for early home treatment of covid, and have emergency medicines if I catch it. Also, daily consumption of the vitamins and at least one mineral that help against it.

To me, this defence is immensely preferable to participating in a world-wide clinical trial of drugs which have turned out to give merely a few months' protection, while possibly generating many SAEs (and definitely generating many billions per year for the manufacturers)
Grvstu · 70-79, F
You know? So how do you know? I assume you haven’t been vaccinated against polio or diphtheria or any of the other diseases? You are a completely ridiculous assumptions. It is a not a worldwide clinical trial. It has been a tested vaccine. I assume you’ve just trolled the Internet rather than listening to people who actually know something about it@WalterF
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Grvstu Please rid yourself of the fallacy that someone who declines the covid injections refuses all vaccinations! this is a stupid idea. Straight out of the fact-checkers' compendium.

"Trawling (I think you mean, not trolling) the internet" is a fact-checker-type pejorative expression, which tries to show that anyone reading online material that is not approved by said fact-checkers is a disillusioned fool. I reject that propaganda-typical approach. It's closely related to the silencing of free speech.

I think this conversation is at an end. I don't have time to reply to all the red herrings you will throw up. You have had your injections - the first three, at least, many more to come - and I wish you well. I haven't had any, nor will I, this being my right. I assure you that I am not "killing granny" (another ridiculous propaganda expression!) nor "harming people" - how pathetic to trot out that idea!!! step back a take a look - what have you become?

I wish you well, Jean.
Grvstu · 70-79, F
Sorry but you are just someone who has gullibly swallowed the guff of the anti-fax era without consulting those who have worked in the field as some of us have. And you are putting this nonsense out on the internet. @WalterF
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Grvstu So there is the difference between a member of the so-called "anti-vaxxer mob" (myself, apparently), and a covid religionist.

One is polite enough to wish his opponent well.

The other ends by calling her opponent a gullible guff-swallower.

Compare the two! one is bitter, the other is gracious. I know which camp I'd rather be in. And I have chosen it.

Again, I wish you well. Although I am saddened by your ardent belief that the work of countless highly qualified scientists (hidden from you because you have been hypnotised by the media narrative) amounts to nothing, and is probably all made up.
Grvstu · 70-79, F
Sorry but you are the one who has been absolutely hypnotised by a false narrative. Just like people were hypnotised when Pasteur and Jenner invented vaccines. Amazing that scientific breakthroughs are always greeted with scepticism. Listen to people who actually know what they’re talking about and not pseudoscientists @WalterF
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