Kimmel Gets Slapped Down

@ChampagneOnIce No .. not when its based in truth, not offensive or immoral in nature. There is no support in the police reporting I've seen that this killer was MAGA radicalized in his background. There was evidence referenced for Antifa and other opposite influences from conservative ones. For me, Kimnel's comments were intentionally misleading as a result.

A lot of people have been cancelled for saying things folk on the political left objected to over the last few years. Very few examples of those on the left being cancelled for things the right objected to in that time frame.

Quite a few cancellations / holding to account are happening around this incident where the left is celebrating, justifying violence, or in this case out right murder. To me, that's a clear sign the comments/position have crossed a real line, one even moderate liberals do not support.

Kimmel wasnt shot .. he was fired by his employer for speaking out in his employment role outside what they accept. The two are not remotely the same.

@BrandNewMan Not offensive nor immoral? Interesting. Hypocrisy has always bothered me. It makes my stomach turn.

@ChampagneOnIce I dont support everything Trump /administration does either.

Hypocrisy cries from the left are kinda hard to take .. killing someone for disagreeing with you is as Fascist as fascism gets.

Letting millions into the country outside our immigration laws is not following the law, every bit as much as any deviation from our laws in addressing their removal.

Putting the rights of criminals ahead of the rights of their victims.

I can admit when Trump is wrong .. can you do the same for the left ??

@BrandNewMan I don’t think the murderer was on the left, though. He was radicalized by extremists on the right. Extremism on either side is an issue. I don’t condone violence, especially because you don’t agree with what someone says and even more because you don’t like the way someone looks or who they love. I don’t watch the late night talk shows, but comedians have always made fun of those in power, one way or another. I don’t agree with anyone celebrating his death. Murder is wrong. That’s fundamental, but the media bowing to political pressure is fascism at work. Can you see that?

A friend of mine posted these wise words, and I couldn’t agree more.

“In light of Charlie Kirk's public murder & the divisiveness it has unleashed, I want to share some of my views - b/c I believe truth, humanity, & justice are more important than just picking sides.

I disagreed with nearly everything Charlie Kirk stood for, except his insistence on free speech.

Over the years, I watched him push a range of harmful beliefs:
• Calling for women to step out of the workforce, return to traditional homemaking, live in subservience
• Condemning the Civil Rights Act as ‘a mistake’
• Attacking affirmative action
• Insisting Black people as less capable without white achievement
• Denouncing LGBTQ communities
• Slamming abortion rights
• Spreading stereotypes grounded in white supremacy, misogyny, homophobia.

I saw him argue that liberal universities ‘brainwash’ students, while, ironically, he himself seemed brainwashed by fear & victimhood, spreading to others - all under the guise of Christian nationalism & moral uprightness.

Now, I see our government - especially under Trump & his Project 2025 allies - using division as leverage.

A fractured people are much easier to control.

If healing + true progress are going to happen, we must start by seeing the full humanity in each other, respecting and celebrating our differences - our experiences, our loves, our beliefs.

Anyone telling someone else how they *must* live is missing something vital: that we are all sovereign creators.

The only true crime is harming one another.

I believe we are being played by those who pull strings behind America's curtain. Just yesterday, our own president said he couldn't care less about bringing the country together. He knows he is more powerful when we stay divided, when suspicion breeds hatred, when unity is consigned to memes.

So if we want real change, it will not come from the top. It will come from us, across the aisle, reaching across the divides to rebuild trust, compassion, & unity.

I have faith that good will prevail. Right now, as this new world is being born, yes - we are feeling pain. But we are also being forged.

We ARE stronger than this.

If enough of us choose LOVE>hate, TRUTH>lies, UNITY>division, then maybe we can begin to heal.”

@ChampagneOnIce Where is the support this killer was radicalized on the right? Gladly look at it if you have anything supporting that. To date, Ive seen no such information.

Media bowing to political pressure happens in both directions. Are you blind to that? It was exactly what was happening w cancelling people who spoke out about concerns with the vaccines that have since been supported as correct. Trump was removed from Twitter over such things while those supporting false claims remained active. Posts that spoke out agsinst the lefts views were taken down, people put in Facebook suspension. People in the media were fired then too for speaking out .. so tell me how its different ?

Division is a tool of politicians these days .. period. It is not limited to the Right, not limited to the US. Claims illegal immigrant detention facilities would become death camps? Calling everything racist and/ or fascist that differs from your beliefs?

I'm not defending all of Kirk's positions, but also think a lot is stated incorrectly about some of what they really were in order to defend the opposite agendas. Regardless .. there is no justification to kill him over those positions. I dont care how much you disagree.

If you can't see both sides are wrong in a lot of ways .. you aren't being honest with yourself.

@BrandNewMan Sorry. I can’t seem to find the information I read about him being radicalized online by the people whose names I can’t remember at the moment but who are associated with far-right extremism. In any case, what I’ve just been reading on AP is he disagreed with Kirk’s hateful rhetoric and had started leaning left. So I apologize that the information I read previously was inaccurate.

However, this country turning toward fascism is frightening. I don’t personally like Jimmy Kimmel, but I read this post by another comedian, and I agree. “It does not matter what side you are on politically. At the very least, we should all be able to agree that freedom of speech is a cornerstone for everyone. Comedians, in particular, have always had the space to use satire to reflect on current events, whether you agree with their take or not. That is part of the point of humour: to shine a light, to challenge, and sometimes just to laugh at the absurdity.

It was not unusual for people to find Trump’s response a little absurd when asked about the death of his friend. But what is astonishing is that Jimmy Kimmel makes one of the most mild jokes about it, and he gets pulled.

This is the same crowd that screams about cancel culture and ‘free speech’, yet they are perfectly comfortable censoring you in real time the second the joke lands on their guy.

Comedy has always been part of politics. If late night hosts can not even poke fun at the absurdity anymore, then what we are looking at is not free speech. It is hypocrisy written in the loudest possible font.

This is not right. It is dangerous.

For a nation I truly love, it is heartbreaking to see the USA edging towards the very kind of oppressive, outdated world we once thought it had outgrown.”

@ChampagneOnIce Why would the far right .. that agrees with Kirk and Trump .. want them killed? Why would a far right radicaluzed person be involved with a Trans partner and trans rights be among the thing he objected to Kurk so strongly for? It doesnt even make sense .. let alone there not being proof of such claims . and it takes more than just a claim.


There were claims .. by both sides . before any investigative proof was out there. Both sides are wrong as the other in doing so.

The left is as guilty of cancel culture stuff as anything on the right. Look back and it was far more directed AT the right than BY it the last several years. Yes, some examples of the Right recently that I dont like .. but some of it is well deserved too. If they were celebrating a man's murder, I have zero sympathy for them paying a price for that.

@BrandNewMan Yeah, I’ve already said that.

@ChampagneOnIce Until the finger pointing and "all the problems are on the other side" stuff stops, there can be no meaningful discussions about change. Like in marriage .. if you arent seeing your own faults and contributions you arent likely to change what you need to alongside the other. If its us v them instead of us v the problem, things stalemate.

We need different leaders, on both sides, to get there.

@BrandNewMan On that we agree completely.

@ChampagneOnIce

And this has what to do with the 1st amendment?