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zeggle · 61-69, M
I think there was both Confederates and Unionist in a few U.S states.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@zeggle It's worth looking at the Spanish Civil War.
Like modern America, 30s Spain had a divide with the left strong in the cities and the right strong in the countryside. Though there were leftwing regions like Catalonia and Asturias. Also rightwing regions, like Galicia. In this conflict, the left was socialist and not liberal but a lot of other things about the analogy make sense.
The early part of that conflict has a kind of regional civil war before the national battle lines were drawn. Each area and city had a struggle for supermecy. Leaders of the losing side in each area, fled or were imprisoned or killed. Many caught on the wrong side of their lines either kept their heads down or switched sides.
Seville was won by the nationalists because it had crafty rightwing generals and because was in the middle of a rural conservative region. It was also the easiest part for the rightwing foreign legion to enter the country by so it became the nationalist capital. The city itself did have a republican majority before the fall.
Barcelona went with the reds and the merchant class of the city spent three years pretending to be socialists.
America isn't actually on the verge of a civil war (yet) but I thunk it would be a little bit like this if it ever did happen.
Like modern America, 30s Spain had a divide with the left strong in the cities and the right strong in the countryside. Though there were leftwing regions like Catalonia and Asturias. Also rightwing regions, like Galicia. In this conflict, the left was socialist and not liberal but a lot of other things about the analogy make sense.
The early part of that conflict has a kind of regional civil war before the national battle lines were drawn. Each area and city had a struggle for supermecy. Leaders of the losing side in each area, fled or were imprisoned or killed. Many caught on the wrong side of their lines either kept their heads down or switched sides.
Seville was won by the nationalists because it had crafty rightwing generals and because was in the middle of a rural conservative region. It was also the easiest part for the rightwing foreign legion to enter the country by so it became the nationalist capital. The city itself did have a republican majority before the fall.
Barcelona went with the reds and the merchant class of the city spent three years pretending to be socialists.
America isn't actually on the verge of a civil war (yet) but I thunk it would be a little bit like this if it ever did happen.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@zeggle Of course there were. There were also rebels and loyalists in every State at the time of the US revolution. Some estimates have the rebels at no more then a third of the colonial population with another third not caring either way and a third being loyalists.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@sarabee1995 If the second civil war happens I'm America, you'd be on the fence. A one woman Switzerland!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@Burnley123 I'm rarely on the fence on any issue. Why do you think I would be here?
zeggle · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 A lot of it was about money and big investment men. they had lots of political sway. Your percentage 30% either way I would agree with in some areas.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@zeggle Not my percentage. There's some good historical research behind those numbers.
It's a good thing they were big investment men, because they pledged their wealth to the cause and most died penniless as a result.
It's a good thing they were big investment men, because they pledged their wealth to the cause and most died penniless as a result.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@sarabee1995 Your're rarely anti war either. Far cop. 😜
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@Burnley123 Rarely anti-war?? Interesting. I'm certainly not a pacifist; that is true. Is that what you meant?
I do not ever favor war. In university I studied diplomacy. A negotiated solution is always preferable to war. But, a people always have the fundamental right to self defense. 🤔
I do not ever favor war. In university I studied diplomacy. A negotiated solution is always preferable to war. But, a people always have the fundamental right to self defense. 🤔
zeggle · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 It was an awful war. Friends, country men and even families fight against each other. I guessed the % was well informed. I know from reading about it, myself. That you wasn't making calculations up. I was attributing the knowledge to yours meaning ours.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@sarabee1995 Fair. My bad