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Gaza is not an open-air prison

When people are in prison, including open prisons, they have all and any weapons confiscated from them. Despite certain materials being banned, Gaza is still extremely heavily armed. How do people in an open-air prison manage to get their hands on so many guns, missiles, bombs, and materials for tunnels? Where and how did they get the very expensive products used to attack Israel? How did they then get into Israel with all of it? Thousands of Hamas "militants", and civilians from Gaza, were able to access Israel, and no one was there to send them back to their prison. Somehow, they left the prison premises and were not apprehended.

Does the same not also apply to internment camps?

Billions of dollars are also allowed to get into this prison, every year.

Hamas, the government in this prison, refused to have the Egyptian and Israeli blockade lifted because it would have made their resistance useless, and redundant in the eyes of Gazans. Most prisoners are desperate for more freedom, but violently resisting Israel's existence is more important to Hamas.

If Gaza is an open-air prison, Israel must be a horrible prison officer. More prisons should be like Gaza.

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Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

All Palestinians are desperate for freedom from the hell hole they are forced to live in

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Subsumedpat · 36-40, M

@Guitarman123 I believe they are the ones who made it a hell hole by electing Hamas to their government.

SW-User

@Guitarman123 Why are they not calling for Hamas to give them their freedom? Hamas is in control of everything that happens inside Gaza.

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@SW-User because israel is on control of what comes in and out of gaza. Because israel has treated them like animals for decades

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@Subsumedpat was a hell hole for them decades before hamas was even a thing

SW-User

@Guitarman123 What does Israel stop from going into Gaza? I have seen the claim that they stop building materials, but this is not true. Israel allows building materials that have been authorized by the PA. If Hamas had laid down their arms, Israel would not have needed to allow or ask for authorization of any products or materials. This means that Gaza would have more freedom.

Hamas has, on numerous occasions, rejected offers to lift the blockade.

Egypt also has a blockade on Gaza. And, they bulldozed thousands of homes in the south of Gaza. Are you going to criticize them?

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@SW-User currently israel is stopping medical aid from getting into gaza. Also food and water and limiting electricity. If hamas laid down their arms then israel would just have more power over Palestine. The zionists don't see arabs as humans. Actually its israel that bulldozes Palestinian homes. They give Palestine as much rights as they do rats

SW-User

@Guitarman123 You are a liar.

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@SW-User I'm really not

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@Guitarman123 https://youtu.be/jBHAitSKtVs?si=-zCrg-CjoJHsHx5Y

SW-User

@Guitarman123

If hamas laid down their arms then israel would just have more power over Palestine.

This illustrates that you think Hamas are "freedom fighters." Moreover, you dismissed how Egypt destroyed thousands of homes in southern Gaza, and how they too have a blockade.

Are you a racist?

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@SW-User youre attempting a strawman fallacy here and also attempting an ad abominem fallacy. You that keen to not see israel as a ln apartheid regime?

SW-User

@Guitarman123 What is this second fallacy you mention? Would you like to think about it again?

Accusations of attempts at logical fallacies are what people do when they are losing an argument, or have no argument. A question can never be an ad hominem attack. There is a hypocrisy, double standard, and apparent racism in your beliefs. I rightly observed that you believe that Hamas are freedom fighters, and that you have dismissed the role of Egypt in any suffering that Gazans may, or might, experience.

The video you linked is absurd, and I do not think the narrator is credible. He provided a simplified, clearly biased version of history and politics. Numerous other videos of his center around bashing the U.S. military. YouTube is not education.

In principle, there is nothing wrong with the existence of a predominantly Jewish state. I question the motives and reasoning of people who think there is. Would you accuse Arabs of being racist and of promoting an apartheid system if they want their state to be mostly Arab, or mostly Muslim? Why is it only Jews who can't have a say in how they want their country to be?

Hypocrisy.

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@SW-User and since you are losing because i know you're lying and I've mentioned facts that prove the lies. Bu accusing me of racism instead of attacking my points is a fallacy as I've said absolutely nothing racist and you absolutely know that to be the case. Those who are defending israels treatment of Palestine is defending is promoting an apartheid regime as well as defending it. Their is when other people they see as greatly inferior are suffering. He actually told the truth but as it goes against what you've been spoon fed you're spitting your dummy out. The people of Palestine simply want to live in peace and independently of israel and hamas. Zionists do have a say in how israel is ran and they make sure those who disagree with them suffer horrifically. Nothing hypocritical about what im saying. You're accusing me of been pro hamas based in absolute shite. That would be as moronic as calling those who supported nelson mandelas fight against apartheid south Africa anti whites

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@SW-User read the punishment of gaza by self proclaimed patriotic israeli gideon levy. He wants to be proud of where he comes from, but the way zionists treat Palestinians sickens him.

SW-User

@Guitarman123 It is racist to think that Jews should not have a state in our homeland, and this subject is beyond your comprehension.

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@SW-User but its not racist to allow Palestine to remain oppressed?

Subsumedpat · 36-40, M

@Guitarman123 Yes because there is no getting along with them.

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@Subsumedpat with who, Palestinians?

Subsumedpat · 36-40, M

@Guitarman123 yes, the Palestians, that is why Egypt wont let them in, they are nothing but trouble.

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@Subsumedpat Palestinians are trouble because they don't want to live in constant fear for their lives? You think they should accept the horrific conditions they are forced to live in?

Stephanidunord · 18-21, F

@Subsumedpat they elected Mahmoud Abbas

Subsumedpat · 36-40, M

@Guitarman123 they are trouble because they did this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terrorist_attacks_attributed_to_Palestinian_militant_groups

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@Subsumedpat so when israel commits atrocities, thats ok? The irony of you supporting a nationalist regime with your profile pic seems to be lost on you

Subsumedpat · 36-40, M

@Guitarman123 Israel is not more committing atrocities any more than we were when we attacked Germany or Japan in World War 2, civilians died there and that was considered collateral damage. Same here, Hamas wrap themselves in civilians for protection and that is who you should be blaming for the deaths. If Israel were to stop it is equivalent to saying it is ok to use civilian as shields. We don't put our military headquarters under a hospital so an attacker will have to kill the patients to get to us Hamas does, if you don't understand the moral difference I don't think there is anything I can say to you to explain it.

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

@Subsumedpat im blaming israel because they are guilty. Same way i blame hitler for the atrocities commited by the nazis on jews and communists. Hamas is a poison that israel unknowingly created. If their didn't have Palestine trapped then hamas wouldn't have had to exist. Israel knows its attacking innocent people and doesn't care. The fact that they are openly killing so many innocent Palestinians shows that they don't see them as people

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