How can you tell the difference between a hallucination and real voices
I might have schizophrenia or I'm being gangstalked
41-45, M
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riseofthemachine · 41-45, M
See I don’t like the medical labels that professionals label people especially what your talking about hearing voices .
Why if your hearing voices and having a medical label labelled on you that would frighten you even more .
I look at that as a spiritual attack .
First look at the reality 1st emit your attacked by people mentally .
2nd Ask yourself why if your getting attacked , if it’s real or not .
Why or my saying that cause if it’s real or not both of them can have the same effect on the mind . If your either creating the fear yourself or if someone else is . The same effect .
It’s mostly put down to traumatic events and that creates dread and I mean dread which then that leads to the mental chatter in the mind , and that’s why you get frightened cause you be questioning the mental health labels .
The labels then would knock your self esteem which then also creates mental chatter . Now your having 2 problems 1st the mental health labels and 2nd the way you view yourself over the mental chatter .
All of those labels then I’m afraid to say could make you suicidal, in order words bring you into despair, helplessness, hopeless , useless .
So you want to see are they real or not so that you can break the illusions of the mind and when you do that and when they come back in you catch yourself and say I’ve down this road before .
Then life gets a bit easier .
And my experience you get to trust in God more than people the way they view you .
You no longer afraid of the mental pain cause you have someone to believe in .
I hope you understand or got something from this cause I care about people when I here about people having mental health issues cause I seen it with people and it ends up leading them to death
Why if your hearing voices and having a medical label labelled on you that would frighten you even more .
I look at that as a spiritual attack .
First look at the reality 1st emit your attacked by people mentally .
2nd Ask yourself why if your getting attacked , if it’s real or not .
Why or my saying that cause if it’s real or not both of them can have the same effect on the mind . If your either creating the fear yourself or if someone else is . The same effect .
It’s mostly put down to traumatic events and that creates dread and I mean dread which then that leads to the mental chatter in the mind , and that’s why you get frightened cause you be questioning the mental health labels .
The labels then would knock your self esteem which then also creates mental chatter . Now your having 2 problems 1st the mental health labels and 2nd the way you view yourself over the mental chatter .
All of those labels then I’m afraid to say could make you suicidal, in order words bring you into despair, helplessness, hopeless , useless .
So you want to see are they real or not so that you can break the illusions of the mind and when you do that and when they come back in you catch yourself and say I’ve down this road before .
Then life gets a bit easier .
And my experience you get to trust in God more than people the way they view you .
You no longer afraid of the mental pain cause you have someone to believe in .
I hope you understand or got something from this cause I care about people when I here about people having mental health issues cause I seen it with people and it ends up leading them to death
Graylight · 51-55, F
@riseofthemachine We can tell why a person has delusions. There's a whole lot of books for that.
riseofthemachine · 41-45, M
@Graylight it’s nothing to do with books it’s through experience and coming out the other side of it and sharing your experience.
If it was to do with books I’d be a millionaire now .
See books are good to an extent but a lot of people who wrote book have only experience of college degrees and reading them through books but they never experience the dread of it
If it was to do with books I’d be a millionaire now .
See books are good to an extent but a lot of people who wrote book have only experience of college degrees and reading them through books but they never experience the dread of it
Graylight · 51-55, F
@riseofthemachine No, it's first learning [i]what [/i]schizophrenia is.
Then it's studying it to attempt to find its origins.
Then it's learning about the myriad of medications and interactions, mechanism of action.
Then it's research and replication so we know the science is good.
Then, of course, there's learning the diagnostic criteria and other disorders that may resemble it. This includes granular information and understanding of the process of reaching an accurate diagnosis.
Then it's choosing an appropriate and effective approach from the plethora of treatment styles. And utilizing one or more of them in the way in which it was meant to be applied. Of course, this has to be appropriate for [i]that [/i]patient, which means taking a detailed and thorough family history, knowing what questions to ask and what symptoms to be aware of.
Then it's counseling and treatment and assessment, all within the parameters of professional ethical codes and strict medico-legal mandates.
That's why we have books. While a person with schizophrenia can be employed as anything, the fact is schizophrenia is incurable (right now) and difficult to manage. There simply aren't many therapists with schizophrenia to offer "experience".
What you offer is invaluable, and that's a view from the inside out. Speaking specifically about schizoaffective and schizophrenic disorders, this is rare and so important. Because you're correct about understanding from a human perspective. All the training I received had to "activated" with the 1st schizophrenic patient. And that's how experience starts to grow. Because we need to know if delusions are from depression, bipolar, delirium or dementia. We need to discern [i]which[/i] of the 7 types of delusions are being experienced. And more.
Books or personal experience are wonderful tools for those in recovery and should abutt proper treatment. But without the right books in the right hands, there's no treatment at all.
Then it's studying it to attempt to find its origins.
Then it's learning about the myriad of medications and interactions, mechanism of action.
Then it's research and replication so we know the science is good.
Then, of course, there's learning the diagnostic criteria and other disorders that may resemble it. This includes granular information and understanding of the process of reaching an accurate diagnosis.
Then it's choosing an appropriate and effective approach from the plethora of treatment styles. And utilizing one or more of them in the way in which it was meant to be applied. Of course, this has to be appropriate for [i]that [/i]patient, which means taking a detailed and thorough family history, knowing what questions to ask and what symptoms to be aware of.
Then it's counseling and treatment and assessment, all within the parameters of professional ethical codes and strict medico-legal mandates.
That's why we have books. While a person with schizophrenia can be employed as anything, the fact is schizophrenia is incurable (right now) and difficult to manage. There simply aren't many therapists with schizophrenia to offer "experience".
What you offer is invaluable, and that's a view from the inside out. Speaking specifically about schizoaffective and schizophrenic disorders, this is rare and so important. Because you're correct about understanding from a human perspective. All the training I received had to "activated" with the 1st schizophrenic patient. And that's how experience starts to grow. Because we need to know if delusions are from depression, bipolar, delirium or dementia. We need to discern [i]which[/i] of the 7 types of delusions are being experienced. And more.
Books or personal experience are wonderful tools for those in recovery and should abutt proper treatment. But without the right books in the right hands, there's no treatment at all.
riseofthemachine · 41-45, M
@Graylight i agree with you 100% .
If your a qualified professional on what you speak , only suggesting , if I was you I’d try a 12 step program on that treatment as well as therapy.
You be surprised with the results .
A 12 step program is for addictions not saying people with that diagnosis has addictions but with the combination of 12 step program and therapy, you see results , and you can pick which 12 step program you take it from cause all of them are based to help you be free from grave emotional and mental disorders.
If your picky around the word addiction don’t try turn you off it and I promise and I mean I promise you’ll results if you try it .
12 step program and therapy . Look it up .
Come back to me if you get results that’s if your a professional and you see the happiness in other peoples lives cause most people need a 12 step program. It doesn’t necessarily mean addictions . You’ll see results
If your a qualified professional on what you speak , only suggesting , if I was you I’d try a 12 step program on that treatment as well as therapy.
You be surprised with the results .
A 12 step program is for addictions not saying people with that diagnosis has addictions but with the combination of 12 step program and therapy, you see results , and you can pick which 12 step program you take it from cause all of them are based to help you be free from grave emotional and mental disorders.
If your picky around the word addiction don’t try turn you off it and I promise and I mean I promise you’ll results if you try it .
12 step program and therapy . Look it up .
Come back to me if you get results that’s if your a professional and you see the happiness in other peoples lives cause most people need a 12 step program. It doesn’t necessarily mean addictions . You’ll see results
Graylight · 51-55, F
@riseofthemachine 12-Step saved my life. I can’t recommend it highly enough; both as a professional and a member.
What you say is absolutely right; 12-Step, in combination with CBT, is the statistically optimal approach. What we’re talking about here is [i]fellowship[/i] and [i]treatment[/i]. [i]Treatment[/i] takes on the deep psychological aspects, medical management and mental health help. [i]Fellowship[/i] doesn’t worry about that. It’s where people come together to feel seen, to be understood at a level that cuts right through everything else. It’s discussion about how people are doing and a place to meditate, listen to or just feeling safe. In those rooms, everyone knows who you are instantly and welcomes all.
We’re in the same room, you and I, simply in different chairs.
What you say is absolutely right; 12-Step, in combination with CBT, is the statistically optimal approach. What we’re talking about here is [i]fellowship[/i] and [i]treatment[/i]. [i]Treatment[/i] takes on the deep psychological aspects, medical management and mental health help. [i]Fellowship[/i] doesn’t worry about that. It’s where people come together to feel seen, to be understood at a level that cuts right through everything else. It’s discussion about how people are doing and a place to meditate, listen to or just feeling safe. In those rooms, everyone knows who you are instantly and welcomes all.
We’re in the same room, you and I, simply in different chairs.