Can Someone With Vulnerable Narcissism...

@DragonFruit It's hard to tell between the two - I was raised by a narcissistic father, and I'm not sure what mom is. I'm afraid I might have inherited some sort of narcissism, and there seems to be two types besides the personality disorder. It looks like there's grandiose narcissism and vulnerable narcissism, it's just that one is more apparent than the other.

@DragonFruit That's because it's not a thing. Not in the states.

@Graylight Yes, they keep coining new terms...even if they don't create a specific definition for the new terms, which just makes things more complicated.

@DragonFruit True. It actually does show up under the "Cluster B" section of the DSM. However, if narcissism as a whole accounts for .5% of the populations, then vulnerable narcissism would be far, far, smaller a percentage. Probably along the lines of .002%

Just cautioning that without a formal, billable diagnosis, the internet is not your friend when it comes to mental health information.

@Graylight Actually covert or inverse narcissists are a thing, there's two main subtypes of narcissism: grandiose and vulnerable. Both of those are used in therapy as a term.

@basilfawlty89 Yes, they are. But online, it's best to keep mental health and psychology discussions at their most basic, as things are typically much more involved that placing a label on someone.

[i]From a trait perspective, narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), the focus of this study, is assessed using 2 specific traits: grandiosity and attention seeking. Using a sample collected online from Amazon's Mechanical Turk (MTurk; N=306), we examined the relations among traits from a new measure of DSM-5's trait model--the Personality Inventory for DSM-5 (PID5; Krueger, Derringer, Markon, Watson, & Skodol, in press)--and grandiose and vulnerable narcissism. The 25 traits from PID5 captured a significant portion of the variance in grandiose and vulnerable factors, although the 2 specific facets designated for the assessment of NPD fared substantially better in the assessment of grandiose rather than vulnerable narcissism. These results are discussed in the context of improving the DSM-5's ability to capture both narcissism dimensions.[/i]
Grandiose and vulnerable narcissism and the DSM-5 pathological personality trait model: Joshua D Miller 1, Brittany Gentile, Lauren Wilson, W Keith Campbell;
PMID: 22594764 DOI: 10.1080/00223891.2012.685907

Not really sufficient to have Amy in the chat room offer up medical diagnoses.

@Graylight I'll offer up this video because it's perfect for this conversation. You can't diagnose someone true but if the person is constantly engaging in these toxic behaviors, it's that constant that sets them apart. It's up to the person individually if they love that person enough to put up with it or leave. If they are online, you don't have to diagnose someone to just not deal with them because you suspect them of having those toxic traits that indicates not a healthy person.

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