Don't expect rationality from the vaccine refuseniks. They are the same right wingers who reject evolution and the geological age of the earth. Did you know that the Covid death rate in red counties is more than double the rate in blue counties? It's part of the tragic cost of their ignorance (and remember that for each death there's 25 cases of long covid and 7 or 8 long hospitalizations)
This poll says 10% of democrats are unvaccinated while 39% of republicans are unvaccinated. [i]No wonder[/i] their infection rates are so high!
@pdockal No, what's immature is believing the world is six thousand years old. If a person believes something crazy, then I have to say that their beliefs...are crazy.
@pdockal When hospitals aren't overflowing, about 1% of the infected die in the US. However, there are other unfortunate outcomes for vaccine refuseniks. 25% or so get Long Covid. 7% or so have long expensive hospital stays. Vaccines greatly lower the probabilities of all that nasty stuff.
@pdockal I answered with more context because I reject your implicit assumption that death is the only bad result of Covid.
Actually, if you read carefully, I said "around 1%," not "under 1%."
[quote]Don't other diseases have a higher death[/quote] I assume you're referring to diseases like cancer & heart disease.
Gosh, I thought most people would have understood this one over the last 18 months. Lemme put it like this: Can you catch cancer from a sneeze or a handshake? In the absence of protection or distancing, will the number of heart disease cases in a population double every 5 days? Does cancer spike to over 100,000 new cases per day? Do these cancer spikes threaten to overflow our hospitals?
See how highly infectious diseases are different? And of course my points about Long Covid and expensive hospital stays is still valid.
We had lockdowns in spring 2020 when that was our only tool to flatten the curve. Now we have very effective vaccines, and so the new disease spikes are pandemics of the unvaccinated.
@ElwoodBlues I didn't ask for more context I didn't mention cancer as it's not contagious I'll take the odds of around 1% There is NO need for mandates with such a small percentage of death Plus the number is inflated There are people who have covid but weren't officially diagnosed and I know for a fact (friends involved) that is your tested positive for covid and died of something else it was listed as covid for the feral dollars
@pdockal [quote]and died of something else it was listed as covid for the feral dollars[/quote] If that were true, then during Covid spikes we should expect to see deaths from other causes decrease.
Actually, during Covid spikes deaths from other causes [i]increase[/i]. This graph only covers the first 2 Covid spikes during 2020. When people avoid Covid filled hospitals, turns out they die in greater numbers:
Here's a table of major causes of death for the last 5 years. Notice how in 2020, deaths from almost all causes [i]increase[/i]? With about 500,000 extra deaths in 2020. BTW, they did one tricky thing combining flu with pneumonia; flu went down in 2020 but pneumonia went up.
Source: [b]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234[/b] On my laptop I click "open image in new tab" and all the text becomes readable.
@pdockal [quote]I'll take the odds of around 1%[/quote] Fair enough. Turns out though, you live in a society where the vast majority considers a death toll of 3.3 million unacceptable. And majority rules.
@ElwoodBlues people are focused on the actual number which is WRONG If I'm correct other communicable diseases are far more deadly but no mandates or major concerns or restrictions
@pdockal [quote]If I'm correct other communicable diseases are far more deadly[/quote] Read the table I provided. It lists the 10 largest causes of death in the US, plus Covid. Flu is the only communicable disease there, and death rates from flu average 50K per year.
@ElwoodBlues but what is the percentage ... I'm not interested in pure numbers as they don't tell how deadly something is And the other deaths are irrelevant to discussing covid Plus you know ... or do you ... that raw data can be interpreted differently depending on how is presented and perceived So give me percentages
@ElwoodBlues .00025% difference between red and blue isn't much of a difference. That's 25 more per 100,000. I'm not sure if that's going to tip the scales much, but I see your point. That could be accounted for by including illegal migrants coming through the border untested and are covid positive.
@pdockal [quote] but what is the percentage[/quote] Exactly what percentage do you want to calculate? Luckily, I am blessed with a calculator with a division key (÷), so I will do my best to help you out.
It should be noted that the 400,000 Covid deaths in 2020 are 8X the average influenza death rate, so if your percentages have the same denominator, the Covid percentage will be 8X our next most deadly communicable disease.
@Muldoon Here's a map of death by county. There are an awful lot of high death rate counties in FLA & other states far from the border. I don't think your immigrant theory holds water.
@ElwoodBlues the difference between red/blue is 0.00035 which is not double the rate, red leads blue states by 0.035%. 100,075 is not double the rate of 100,035.
@ElwoodBlues you won. Update: blue states started off surging ahead of red states but that changed somewhere around late Sept. I respect you and how you debate Thanks for listening!
