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Why don't horse owners have to clean up their pet's mess?

Went hiking in a county park. There were signs about dog owners cleaning up their dog's mess. However the signs for the horseback trails never expect the owners to clean up after their horse's mess, which is much larger and left right on the trail.
It's easy (if not pleasant) to clean up a dog's poo - a plastic bag, scoop, twist, tie, pack in bag, and it's done.

Some horses stop to poo (not trained to keep going). A single rider could dismount to collect in a container, and then load it in a saddle bag, He or she might need to do this anywhere between one and four times depending on the length of the ride.

However, most horses poo while in motion - which means the owner would have to dismount and walk back, picking up each of about 20 pieces. The distance would depend on the speed of travel. A horse's walk averages 6 kph, the trot 14 kph, and so on. At a gallop, 30 kph is not unusual. A minimum comfortable distance for a ride and a decent amount of exercise for basic health and fitness is is about 10 k's. Twenty - 40 ks if training for endurance or marathons.

If you have a group of people out riding, this means the entire group must stop for every poo event of every horse - hence destroying the enjoyment of the ride for everyone - making it pointless going out in the first place.

Dog's poo has a foul smell if fed commercial products rather than fresh meat and veg. An absent-minded person can easily step in it. If that happens it sticks to the shoe, is hard to remove and stinks out the car on the way home.

Dogs will sometimes eat other dog's poo. This means the risk of picking up worms or other diseases.

Horse poo has a pleasant smell. It is usually large enough to easily see and avoid. If one steps in it accidentally, it wipes off easily on a bit of grass, dirt or stone. If one gets in the car with a smeared boot, the smell is barely noticeable even for sensitive noses.

However, there is an invention - a kind of open curved catchment bag, that riders can attach from the saddle, under the tail, curve under between the hind legs, and attach to the girth. It can catch both wee and poo.
It takes [i]a lot[/i] to train a horse to accept it. It would be beyond the training skills of the average amateur week-end rider.
And at present it is considered so laughably ugly that I've never seen anyone actually using it. Like many matters of appearances, it would take widespread acceptance before people would not feel too acutely embarrassed to try it.

Perhaps one solution would to be to create separate trails for walkers, cyclists and riders.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@hartfire In the countryside it would be easier simply to carry a small shovel in a plastic bag, and move the offending material to the side of the path.

It's possible riders don't always know what their animals have done, if they keep walking while defaecating.

I have seen another side to this. Near my home is a footpath fenced between fields used for grazing horses and occasionally sheep. One horse owner was driven to putting signs on the fence, appealing to people not to try to feed their pets with grass plucked from the path side, because it is fouled by dogs.

Dogs are a more serious matter in rural areas anyway because they can carry diseases harmful to farm animals.

Also, some bizarre reason, some owners will collect their dogs' droppings in a plastic bag but instead of taking that to an appropriate rubbish-bin they hang the bag from a bush, abandon it on the ground or throw it into watercourses.

Worse perhaps, many farmers have had animals injured or killed by dogs let run loose by irresponsible owners.
Ynotisay · M
It's a good question. I think it comes down to riders not always knowing when their horses shit and having to dismount and clean it up is a little different than if you're walking a dog. But the result is the same. Horse shit is different, because it's usually just grass and dries/decomposes quickly, but it's still there. I've been on trails in the Sierra that are open to pack horses and it's just everywhere. I try to kick it to the side to make it better for people behind me but it can be a drag. Option is to stay off multi-use trails that allow for horses.
Oh, get over it. Fo you think horse owners carry large shovels and bags with them. It is manure. It breaks down. If that bothers you so much, you are sunk. Cripes. Lighten up.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@PoetryNEmotion That lot is beneath you as well as totally missing the point.
kramjj · 46-50, M
@PoetryNEmotion where did you interpret outrage in my post? I'm merely presenting the issue of different treatment for the same thing based on the type of animal it is.
@kramjj Get real.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
meanwhile in san francisco...

Because if they’re rich enough to own a horse, they probably think they can pay someone to do it for them
@Gumba1000 ahh so it’s an anti-traveller post is it?

Gumba1000 · M
@SW-User By saying Pikeys aren't rich? I think you just didn't like that I found a demographic that didn't match your prejudice.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Gumba1000 [@Takitanag] Actually you two, few Romanies now use horses but can afford them because they live in a hidden "black economy"; most "travellers" now are not gypsies anyway (so I was told by a Romany); and most of the problem horse-riders are ordinary suburbs and second-home -dwellers.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
I agree. It's not only on footpaths in the countryside, but on residential streets too, where I live.

(The animals are kept in paddocks not far away, but are ridden along the roads as well.)
Because horse owners do not to that. Fog owners can and should. Why do you hate so much? Don't you ever get tired of it?
Gumba1000 · M
In the UK the law allows horse manure on the road due to old highway laws.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Gumba1000 Really? I know Parliament has far more pressing questions than antisocial nag-riders, but I am surprised the law has not been brought up to date!
RedBaron · M
Because the wheels of progress turn on the right and left while the horsesh*t falls in between.
One reason would be that dogs are carnivores which makes their mess so much messier
MonaMoona · 36-40, F
Because it’s too messy yuck
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