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I had a disturbingly realistic nightmare this morning.

I don't know why these dreams always involve my friend Brian, but they do. I think maybe it's because I spent so long trying to convince him of what Donald Trump really is, and he refuses to see it. I showed him a link to the most incriminating document I could find: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

All he ever did was tell me that Trump said he wasn't going to implement it.

Anyway, enough background. The dream.

It was an unspecified time in the future. The police or ICE or someone had been to my house before the dream began, and informed me that I was to be arrested and deported for homosexual activity. For some reason, they had chosen to let me call a few people to get my affairs in order. Brian was the first person I called.

He didn't believe me, of course. Those types never do. At first he was convinced I was pranking him, and because it was a dream and I do not have any inhibitions in dreams, I started yelling at him, telling him again that it was absolutely happening. His response was to say, "They can't do that, that's unconstitutional!" I told him his actions had led to a regime that was fully convinced they could do that. He said he didn't vote in the last election (which is true, because he had finally started losing faith in Trump, but he was terrified of Kamala being elected). This was my response:

"I told you they were going to do it! I warned you! I even showed you documentation of what their plan was, and you called me a liar! I showed you Project 2025, and you said he wasn't going to implement it, even after admitting that he lies about everything! And now he's doing what I told you he was going to do! But hey. At least you didn't get the black lady who laughs a lot. Because THAT would have been a disaster!"

That was where I woke up, because I really didn't want the dream to cut to where I was sent to a hellish third world concentration camp.

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specman · 51-55, MVIP

That would be a nightmare if it came to that. Hopefully they will just deport violent offenders that are illegal.

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@specman I hate to tell you this, but right now, they are deporting people who are here legally. I read somewhere that Homeland Security threatened an attorney who was advocating for immigrant rights, telling her to either deport herself or await deportment.

specman · 51-55, MVIP

@LordShadowfire I’m against deportation of any American citizen

ElwoodBlues · M

@specman Do you support due process to identify whether a potential deportee has a right to be here?

specman · 51-55, MVIP

@ElwoodBlues not when they illegally immigrate

ElwoodBlues · M

@specman How do you know if they're illegal without a court finding??

specman · 51-55, MVIP

@ElwoodBlues they don’t have any government issued id there references should be credible, their job or history residency history and other investigations that ice does.

ElwoodBlues · M

@specman They can be asylum seekers.

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum
(a) Authority to apply for asylum
(1) In general Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Our current immigration laws, last updated around 1986, create a giant loophole for asylum seekers. It's a holdover from the '60s & '70s US immigration law and policy was designed to spit in the eye of Fidel Castro by treating everyone who set foot on Florida as an asylum seeker. This helped earn votes from a swing demographic in a swing state. I agree, we need immigration reform.

And the Senate Bipartisan border bill would have closed that loophole and others. It was the first immigration overhaul since Reagan gave amnesty in 1986.

And of course you know what happened to he Senate Bipartisan border bill. Trump leaned on his flunkies to kill it. Trump wanted a mess on the border to run against. Trump DAMAGED America for campaign purposes. SICK!!

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@specman Oh, another guy that doesn't like the constitution and believes that the executive branch should be judge, jury and executioner.

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specman · 51-55, MVIP

@Kwek00 are your frustrated at me for exactly what?

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@specman Frustrated? I'm just deducing the obvious after reading your replies right here. You don't believe in due proces for foreigners, and you think your executive branch can judge if they are illegale or not. Due process is a right in your consitution, but you don't care and you are okay that your executive branch executes what you want regardless of what the constitution says. It's that simple.

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Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@specman No Specman... what about due process do you not understand. It's neither you nor your executive branch that makes that judgement. At the end of the day, judgement is for the courts to decide.

You are playing judge and jury right just because of what I said right?

You condemn yourself, with your replies... Just go back too the:

Do you believe in due process ->

@ElwoodBlues not when they illegally immigrate

Who decides ->

@ElwoodBlues they don’t have any government issued id there references should be credible, their job or history residency history and other investigations that ice does.

What is ICE? ICE is a part of the executive branch, just like the police is a part of the executive branch. The police makes up a case, but the judge judges about the merits. Even when you get a fine by the police, you can still appeal to the judge because the judge has the last word NOT the executive branch.

Quod erat demonstrandum, jackass.

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@specman

what about illegal don’t you understand?

And what about due process do you not get? Even if someone is here without a work visa, green card, gold card, or whatever, there are often extenuating circumstances, and refusing to allow them due process is still unconstitutional. That is the point everybody's been trying to make with you.

ElwoodBlues · M

@specman Need to see what SCOTUS has ruled??

Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953); see also Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976) ("There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."); Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 215 (1982) (holding that unlawfully present aliens were entitled to both due process and equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment).

Here's a bit more from Mathews v. Diaz 1976 including citations of prior rulings.

There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Wong Yang Sung v. McGrath, 339 U. S. 33, 339 U. S. 48-51; Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U. S. 228, 163 U. S. 238; see Russian Fleet v. United States, 282 U. S. 481, 282 U. S. 489. Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Wong Yang Sung, supra; Wong Wing, supra.

Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.

Thank you, SCOTUS for being clear, unambiguous, and leaving zero wiggle room.

specman · 51-55, MVIP

@ElwoodBlues I’m going to leave this post alone.