Why is it so bad to want to die?

@LadyGrace There is no eternal suffering. Now is not the time for this sort of preaching ma'am. Sorry.

Eternal hell is pagan.

Just like modern christmas is fused with pagan mammonite elements.

Judge not less you be judged please. No offense intended. God bless.

@GeistInTheMachine
The Bible says there is a hell. And what I said to this dear lady was not to discourage her, but many do not realize and they need to know and understand that should they take their own lives and they're not prepared for the afterlife, that would be the worst thing of all. If someone's house was on fire, you would try to warn them and save them, just as Jesus did, and does. For those who have not prepared their soul for the afterlife, their spiritual houses are on fire, and they don't even know it, and Jesus said to spread the gospel so that people could be saved. He never came to condemn the world but to save it. I won't apologize for caring about those things which Jesus cared about. What you call "preaching", is what Jesus told his disciples to do and to teach the whole world about his love and saving grace after he left this world, so that others would know and not have to guess how to get to heaven. He doesn't want any to miss heaven. How do you think any soul will feel if no one tells them what happens after death, and they went to hell? That's not helping anyone. Jesus taught the same thing and told us to do the same. Thousands have been saved from the condemnation that sin placed on us. We're all in the same spiritual boat and in need of Jesus. If there were no Eternal suffering then Jesus's mission would have been in vain and it was not. Jesus telling people how to be saved was not judging. It was warning them so they don't miss out on heaven because he loves them more than anything and more than any words could ever say. Eternal hell is biblical. And Jesus is no liar.

@LadyGrace It's not the full story. Study The Gospel of Thomas if you don't believe me. That's a start.

Anyway, you'll have to excuse me but I don't have the energy to have a theological or ontological discussion right now. Another time maybe, I am too busy.

What I know is that fundamentalist Christian attidues push people away from Yeshua and closer to the hands of atheism and Satan.

Going to this woman who is suicidal and threatening her indirectly with hell is spiritual abuse.

I will not stand for it as someone who has suffered spiritual abuse and religious persecution for being Christian

I rebuke you.

@LadyGrace Who made you queen of Biblical interpretation? So now you are Biblical Judge Jury and Executioner ma'am?

@GeistInTheMachine I think it's safer to say that you don't believe in the biblical hell, so how can you believe in heaven? You can't have one without the other and Jesus did not make hell for people. You're not understanding the gospel. So instead of telling her the truth of what happens after people die, if they're not spiritually prepared, is spiritual abuse, huh? So I guess you would just let her go and not give her hope in Jesus. You're excuse for "rebuking me" is nothing new for those who have the gospel mixed up and confused. Then you would have to, as a self-proclaimed Christian, rebuke Jesus, because that's exactly what he did and time is of the essence with people who want to kill themselves and are not prepared. Nobody knows if she prepared to take her own life, after her writing. How tragic would that have been had she not known what could happen to her? I think little of your judgment. There is no "Thomas" in the Word of God. Maybe in other so-called "bibles" but not the word of God. That comes from false teachers. And the reason you don't have the time for theological or ontological discussion right now, is because you don't have any answers.

@LadyGrace Arrogance, projection and putting words in my mouth. I have a job. Get a life and mind your own business and stop threarening others spiritually. In no way am I saying she should attempt. I am only pushing back against you. You poeple make vulnerable people feel guilty and damaged IF she did hurt herself because she felt dismayed at your coments her blood would be on YOUR hands. I am trying to give her hope a carrot and you are giving her the stick. Shame on you. Go away from her. Get behind me Satan.

@GeistInTheMachine
Who made you judge and jury of myself? Judge not, lest ye be judged. I have not told anything that Jesus has not said, or would have said, in His Word, so if you do not agree, then please take it up with him. I have done exactly as the word says to do, and I do not apologize for that.

@LadyGrace Of course fundies will never apologize for their offensive, harmful, hurtful spiritual arrogance.

Irony.

@GeistInTheMachine
That's just your perspective. Think as you will. But you are most rude, judgemental, and spiritually ignorant of the Word. Say as you wish but this spiritual bashing of yours is most unnecessary and therefore this conversation is closed to you.

@GeistInTheMachine What LadyGrace said is correct and she has solely used scripture.

@GeistInTheMachine I see you as a nasty person. Do you even have the morals to talk to an elder person?

I don't think it's civilized at all to comment inappropriately. I understand you are frustrated individual but She is not a person you should put your frustration on. Get it on your kids. Next time I see you talk like this to her, it will be even more bad for your mental well-being than it is now.

@GeistInTheMachine
Get behind me, Satan? Shame on you.

@DanielsASJ Try me. You threaten me you would be done in two seconds. Non violently I would put the fear of God into you. You come to my inbox or anywhere near me you would be lucky I don't believe in violence and that I believe in karma.

I told her I believe I went to far and apologized even. Stay out of it boy.

@LadyGrace Yeah, that was too far. I'm sorry ma'am. I was angry.

I saw it as a spiritual battle but even in war there are rules. That was wrong of me to say. I apologize.

@GeistInTheMachine I accept your apology but then the damage to this lady has already been done, hasn't it, her seeing you accusing me of threatening her with hell. Christians just don't treat others like you have accused me.

@LadyGrace I disagree in part but to be honest this issue we have been fighting about is far deeper than it seems. I no longer consider myself entirely Christian because have deep disagreements with the Modern Christian church. I consider myself a Universalist, Esoteric, Christ-Follower to be more accurate and a Mystic and more there is no simple name for it. We have severe ontological disagreements. I don't agree with many of Paul's teachings either and I believe in other books andthat the Current Bible was changed by dark forces and arrogance of man. We are under spriritual warfare. This woman needs to make up her own mind. Not all Christians agree and Christians are flawed like I am. I don't worship Yahweh, I worship Jesus and Thoth and Hermes and Enlil.

I think Yahewh is a Demiurge. So it is what it is. Life is complicated.

We have entirely different philosophy. The reason I still slip up and call myself Christian sometimes is because it is so much easier to explain. But Christians have never fully agreed. That's why the Church killed and persecuted all of my brothers who tought differently as "Heretics" even though they were Peaceful. I am a Gnostic.

The current configuration of the Biblewas inspiried by Jesus but man altered it in the Council of Nicea in order to standardize and suppress the truth and free thought.

Where do you think Protestantism came from?

Protesting the Catholic Church's corruption.

I am a Protestant of a Protestant.

@GeistInTheMachine
I'm not here to fight with you, dear. God loves us all the same, and no one is any higher than the other. We were just disagreeing in discussion. The thing we don't want to do, is attack each other on a personal basis, but rather discuss these matters, in love. Right? Right.

I really appreciate your honesty. I would like to address at this time the part where you said above, that you no longer consider yourself entirely Christian because you have deep disagreements with the modern Christian Church. This brings to mind a few questions for you which I am not clear about. Not to be judgmental, but to get clarity:

I have a few things to say about what you have mentioned here.

1. Just because you have disagreements with the modern Christian Church, has nothing to do really with your personal decision to follow Christ alone. What I'm saying is, we don't base our decision to follow Christ, on the beliefs of different religions. We do base it on the Bible. If you don't like a particular church then you could always change churches. But not agreeing with the church, doesn't mean you're not a Christian. But then that brings up another point.

You have stated: Not all Christians agree and Christians are flawed like I am. I don't worship Yahweh, I worship Jesus and Thoth and Hermes and Enlil. I think Yahewh is a Demiurge.


2. Of course not all followers of Christ are going to agree on each and every thing. However I think the most important thing is to trust what the Lord, alone, has taught and said in His Word as Truth, and then there can be harmony in the church. The Lord said we are not to look to other doctrines except the Bible, as truth. This is where the confusion comes in, because scripture says not to look to other gods as deities or as God himself. Worshiping anything or anyone other than God Almighty, is worshiping idols. It says so in scripture, so we do not worship Thoth and Hermes and Enlil, or Demiurge. One cannot have two masters or more. The Bible says a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. The very first commandment of God's Word is "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." Why not? Because God considers them to be evil, and idols. Other gods have not given their life to save people from the condemnation that SIN placed on us....not God. Remember when Moses came off the mountain from speaking with God? God told him he better get down off the mountain and to his people because they are behaving in evil ways, in making idols and worshiping them. God is not the author of confusion. He said there's a way that seems right unto man but the end thereof is death. Spiritual death because they have sinned against God. They have gone their own evil ways. We cannot worship both God and other false gods. People do and people can, but God said it won't work and he is the final Authority and we do not have the authority to change what he says nor His Word.

3. The Bible lists multiple names for God. One of those names is Yahweh. So it is okay to call God Yahweh.

There are way too many false teachers, even on this site and the way we know what the truth is, is to follow the One that would never lead us astray, but only in truth, and that is Jesus Christ and His Word. Jesus warned against false teachers. We all have to be careful in that category. We know that those who follow Christ and His Word, abide in truth. God would never lead us astray or away from the truth. God is no liar and he cannot err. He told us that he is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no one can come to His Father, but by Jesus. He said you can try it a different way, but it won't work. Jesus was appointed by God the Father himself to be Savior of the world. He didn't come to condemn the world but to save it. Jesus would never lie to us. That would be a sin and he is without sin. The only one and the only safe place we have in this world is in Jesus.

4. To say that the Bible is flawed or whatever, is like calling God a liar and we all know that he is not. The Bible is not flawed. It is not outdated and it does not have contradictions. God is perfect and he would not hand down his perfect word with flaws in it. He doesn't make mistakes. It is man's interpretation of the Word that can be wrong.

@LadyGrace I respect what you are saying and where you are coming from. For me it was a gradual evolution and it is a long story.

We can discuss it another time.

I don't blame you for believing the way you do, even though I firmly disagreed with your approach in this one situation. Love and blessings to you ma'am. May Yeshua protect you always.

I am very sad for my conduct I went too far with an older sister in Christ out of my own PTSD, and I am deeply sorry for that.

I have also asked Jesus for forgiveness on this matter and I rebuke myself and I repent.

@GeistInTheMachine People can only call themselves Brothers and Sisters in Christ, if they worship Christ Alone, as stated in the Bible. It's okay if we disagree, but I think it's important to discuss why, but I understand if you're not wanting to do that. However I cannot state my beliefs and why I believe what I believe if we don't discuss things. I hold no grudges against you. I just think you're not understanding certain things and these are not things that I made up. They are things which Christ taught. You can always write to me later if you like and discuss things. If you want to PM me to discuss spiritual matters, it's okay. I will not try to convince you of anything except share with you what God's Word says. I'm thankful that we can rely on God to tell us the truth.

@LadyGrace Amen. Fair enough. I still consider you my sister because I think we are all a part of Jesus and I think Source is the ultimate Lord. She is neither male nor female but she is part of the Divine Feminine too. Faith is complicated. I wish you the best I look forward to talking one day when I have the time.

@GeistInTheMachine But dear heart, Source is not mentioned in the Bible as a person to worship. God's Own commandment is not to worship other gods. Let me ask you. What are idols made of? They are made of man-made materials, are they not? That would be like myself going to a store and buying a doll and worshiping it. There is no Holy Spirit in it. In fact, no Spirit at all. It is an idol made with human hands and cannot see, here, nor speak, unlike God Almighty. Almighty God does not put his spirit in man-made things. That's the truth according to His Word. It is not about who's right here. It's about believing God and His Word. If we miss salvation in Christ we have missed everything and there's no second chances.

We are not all a part of Jesus. If that were true then everyone in the world would go to heaven and we know they are not because Jesus told us so. Not everyone accepts him as Savior and he said that is what must be done so that he can forgive us and bring us back into fellowship with His Father in Heaven. Is he a liar? No.

@LadyGrace if you can't trust Jesus then you really can't trust anyone. He has been to heaven and back and he paid for our sins on the cross.

@GeistInTheMachine First you said you're a priest. Now your profile says INTJ. Fascinated by the Esoteric, Occult and Paranormal. Follower of Yeshua and Thoth. Communist.

This is not being a follower of Christ or a priest. You seem to be confused in what to believe. But you cannot claim to be a follower of Christ and all these other things. It is not possible. You cannot be a part of Christ and involved with the occult. Not possible.