HOW COME KENNEDY, JOHNSON, FORD, CARTER, REAGAN, BUSH, CLINTON, BUSH, AND OBAMA GOT TO TAKE SECRET SECRET PAPERS HOME, ESPECIALLY BIDUMB. WHY ?

@ElwoodBlues

Who appointed you to make this as clear as you can ?

I shouldn't have to say it but this is a rhetorical question!

@pdockal You do understand how social media works, don't you?? Somebody asks a question, then members answer, right??

Lemme know if any parts of this need further explanation.

@ElwoodBlues

OMG

Your still not the sherif and appointed to make things clear for the rest of us

Just post your ridiculous posts and leave that unnecessary commentary out of it

Keep it simple ******

@pdockal OMG you're no sheriff either, yet you're trying to police my posts, [b]ROTFL!!![/b]

BTW, I bet you now understand that Trump is NOT charged with possession of secret documents, but he IS charged with refusing to hand them over when asked multiple times by NARA. My pedagogic methods might be controversial, but they're effective.

@ElwoodBlues

I was just asking a question nothing more

Who said i didn't know?

Having illegal documents is a crime in the first place and should NOT be forgiven because you agree to hand them over

Just thinking out loud but if i had something i thought i had a right to have i wouldn't turn it over to the authorities until i had my day in court

@pdockal You say you were just asking a question nothing more

But read what you wrote:

[quote]OMG

Your still not the sherif and appointed to make things clear for the rest of us

Just post your ridiculous posts and leave that unnecessary commentary out of it

Keep it simple ****** [/quote]

I challenge you to identify any interrogatives in your " just asking a question" post, [b]LOL!!![/b]

On the other hand, the OP [i]asked[/i] a question, and I [i]answered[/i] it!

@ElwoodBlues § 2204. Restrictions on access to Presidential records

(a) Prior to the conclusion of a President’s term of office or last consecutive term of office, as the case may be, the President shall specify durations, not to exceed 12 years, for which access shall be restricted with respect to information, in a Presidential record, within one or more of the following categories:

(1)(A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and

(B) in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order;

(2) relating to appointments to Federal office;

(3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than sections 552 and 552b of title 5, United States Code), provided that such statute

(A) requires that the material be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or

(B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of material to be withheld;

(4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential;

(5) confidential communications requesting or submitting advice, between the President and the President’s advisers, or between such advisers; or

(6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

(b)(1) Any Presidential record or reasonably segregable portion thereof containing information within a category restricted by the President under subsection (a) shall be so designated by the Archivist and access thereto shall be restricted until the earlier of--

(A)(i) the date on which the former President waives the restriction on disclosure of such record, or

(ii) the expiration of the duration specified under subsection (a) for the category of information on the basis of which access to such record has been restricted; or

(B) upon a determination by the Archivist that such record or reasonably segregable portion thereof, or of any significant element or aspect of the information contained in such record or reasonably segregable portion thereof, has been placed in the public domain through publication by the former President, or the President’s agents.

(2) Any such record which does not contain information within a category restricted by the President under subsection (a), or contains information within such a category for which the duration of restricted access has expired, shall be exempt from the provisions of subsection (c) until the earlier of--

(A) the date which is 5 years after the date on which the Archivist obtains custody of such record pursuant to section 2203(d)(1) [sic: should reference 2203(g)(1)]; or

(B) the date on which the Archivist completes the processing and organization of such records or integral file segment thereof.

(3) During the period of restricted access specified pursuant to subsection (b)(1), the determination whether access to a Presidential record or reasonably segregable portion thereof shall be restricted shall be made by the Archivist, in his discretion, after consultation with the former President, and, during such period, such determinations shall not be subject to judicial review, except as provided in subsection (e) of this section. The Archivist shall establish procedures whereby any person denied access to a Presidential record because such record is restricted pursuant to a determination made under this paragraph, may file an administrative appeal of such determination. Such procedures shall provide for a written determination by the Archivist or the Archivist’s designee, within 30 working days after receipt of such an appeal, setting forth the basis for such determination.

(e) The United States District Court for the District of Columbia shall have jurisdiction over any action initiated by the former President asserting that a determination made by the Archivist violates the former President’s rights or privileges.

@sunsporter1649 So you're beginning to understand that Trump is NOT charged with possession of secret documents? A step in the right direction.

And in answer to my direct question, you can't identify any interrogatives in @pdockal's statements? Good to know.

@ElwoodBlues

(e) The United States District Court for the District of Columbia shall have jurisdiction over any action initiated by the former President asserting that a determination made by the Archivist violates the former President’s rights or privileges.

@sunsporter1649 And yet Trump didn't bring his objections to United States District Court for the District of Columbia, did he?

And Trump didn't initiate any actions asserting that a determination made by the Archivist violated his rights or privileges, did he?

Instead, Trump delivered lies about the documents he had, and hid the boxes from searches.

You can't show me any part of 44 US Code § 2204 that justifies those actions by Trump. Because those actions were crimes.

@ElwoodBlues (a) Prior to the conclusion of a President’s term of office or last consecutive term of office, as the case may be, the President shall specify durations, not to exceed 12 years, for which access shall be restricted with respect to information, in a Presidential record

@sunsporter1649 That means people like presidential researchers can't look at them for a period. It does NOT specify that the former president has possession or control of them.

Bu you jumped in late, sporty! You COMPLETELY ignored the prior section!!

take a gander at 44 US Code § 2203, Management and custody of Presidential records.

Lemme direct your attention to subsection (g) paragraph 1
[quote] (g) (1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter. [/quote]

[b]Checkmate[/b], dude.

@ElwoodBlues

(e) The United States District Court for the District of Columbia shall have jurisdiction over any action initiated by the former President asserting that a determination made by the Archivist violates the former President’s rights or privileges.

@sunsporter1649 Guess who initiated no actions and asserted no violations?? Guess who lied to NARA and hid boxes instead?? Yeah, Trumpy, that's who.

Lemme again direct your attention to 44 US Code § 2203, Management and custody of Presidential records, subsection (g) paragraph 1
[quote](g) (1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.[/quote]

[b]Checkmate,[/b] dude.

@ElwoodBlues

(e) The United States District Court for the District of Columbia shall have jurisdiction over any action initiated by the former President asserting that a determination made by the Archivist violates the former President’s rights or privileges.

@sunsporter1649 Yep, you've demonstrated that Trump had a legal recourse he chose not to use. Guess who initiated no actions and asserted no violations?? Guess who lied to NARA and hid boxes instead?? Yeah, Trumpy, that's who.

Lemme again direct your attention to 44 US Code § 2203, Management and custody of Presidential records, subsection (g) paragraph 1
[quote](g) (1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.[/quote]

[b]Checkmate,[/b] dude.

@ElwoodBlues (a) Prior to the conclusion of a President’s term of office or last consecutive term of office, as the case may be, the President shall specify durations, not to exceed 12 years, for which access shall be restricted with respect to information, in a Presidential record, within one or more of the following categories:

(1)(A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and

(B) in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order;

(2) relating to appointments to Federal office;

(3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than sections 552 and 552b of title 5, United States Code), provided that such statute

(A) requires that the material be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or

(B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of material to be withheld;

(4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential;

(5) confidential communications requesting or submitting advice, between the President and the President’s advisers, or between such advisers; or

(6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

@sunsporter1649 Yep, you've demonstrated that Trump had a legal recourse he chose not to use. Guess who initiated no actions and asserted no violations?? Guess who lied to NARA and hid boxes instead?? Yeah, Trumpy, that's who.

Lemme again direct your attention to 44 US Code § 2203, Management and custody of Presidential records, subsection (g) paragraph 1
[quote](g) (1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.[/quote]

[b]Checkmate,[/b] dude.

@ElwoodBlues Bullschiff. It's a civil matter, to be determined in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. Plain as day. But you left-wing nut-job marxists can continue to spew your bullschiff, and make up whatever bullschiff you wish, it amuses anyone with a brain and knows how to use it

@sunsporter1649 Nice try! Failure to comply with civil penalties results in a criminal violation. Trump is [u]NOT[/u] being charged with possession of secret documents. No, not at all. Trump [u]IS[/u] being charged with refusing to give them back to NARA, their rightful owner, when asked multiple times. And Trump IS being charged with obstructing justice in the process of his refusal.

You've demonstrated that Trump had a legal recourse he chose not to use. Guess who initiated no actions and asserted no violations?? Guess who lied to NARA and hid boxes instead?? Yeah, Trumpy, that's who.

Lemme again direct your attention to 44 US Code § 2203, Management and custody of Presidential records, subsection (g) paragraph 1
[quote](g) (1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.[/quote]

Failure to comply with civil penalties is a criminal violation.
[b]Checkmate,[/b] dude.




[sep][sep][sep][center] UPDATE [/center][sep][sep][sep]

Sporty: Now that you've [i]finally[/i] acknowledged that NARA is the rightful owner of those documents and that Trump's failure to return them is a criminal act, you are [i]finally[/i] interested in the charges against him? Good. Let me direct your attention to the 49 page indictment. No, I'm not gonna read it aloud to you! Don't worry, if Jack Smith forgot to dot an 'i' or cross a 't', Trump's pal Judge Cannon will be quick to dismiss the matter!!

[b]https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump-Nauta_23-80101.pdf[/b]

@ElwoodBlues You have the name of the Federal Judge in DC that administered the penalties?

@sunsporter1649
Get out the sun! You don't a verify single damn thing! You know he doesn't have such a name! He gave you the link. Are you just a provocateur? Someone to muddy the line of thought with unimportant details?