Florida legalizes kidnapping trans kids

@GeniUs The best known cure is living as the gender you prefer, you can't force people to be what you want that messes up kids. There's a few drag queen kids that go on to be entertainers, make enough money to put themselves through college and are happy. That's the only thing that matters. Though drag isn't the same as trans.

I can sit here all day and go on about how they found the brains of trans people closely built to the gender they prefer or something like that. None of it is concrete but it's enough to believe trans people that they are who they say they are. And even if there was no proof, I'm not them so to tell them how they feel isn't right either.

@SatanBurger but before people are fully developed mentally and physically they should not be allowed to make life altering decisions, hence why their are age limits set for certain events in people's lives.

@GeniUs There's clear limits when it comes to trans children as to what doctors can or can't do. Furthermore, saying "when the brain develops" is irrelevant, gay children often grow up into gay adults. Sometimes people just "are."

There's at least more than a few cases where parents weren't trans, gay, bi, they were cisgendered and very straight. Their kid as they grow older it becomes clearer that they are trans or part of the LGBTQ+ community. The harsh reality that anti LGBTQ+ people need to reconcile with is that most times people are born like that. And it's not harsh for anyone else except the anti people because they have a hard time accepting facts.

@GeniUs Anyways, nothing you can ever say will make it okay to kidnap a kid from a loving home and making them part of the state.

@GeniUs You view trans children as being harmed because you deny their existence and you think you know what's right for someone without little understanding of what trans children are. If the parents provide them a loving homes, removing them and putting them into the care of people who would harm them by denying their reality and forcing them to be who they're not while psychologically abusing them out of the belief that trans people are not valid nor are they born like that is undoubtedly harmful.

@GeniUs Furthermore, you cannot force someone to be who they are not. Sure, you can pass laws, you can try to shut people up, you can sweep it under the carpet. There are always going to be trans or gay children. A trans gendered adult was once a child, a gay adult was once a child, a straight adult was once a child.

Florida legalizing kidnapping children and putting them in with strangers who they've never met is wrong and yeah of course you can just go on and on about this all day but you will never erase trans people. There's always going to be a mixture of people whether you like it or not.

You can even sentence people to die and you know what? Won't kill anything.

@SatanBurger First stop including gay people in this, it's totally separate and much less of an issue if it is one at all.
Nobody is forcing anybody to be something they are not, nobody (sensible) is trying to erase trans people; people are saying (including me) wait until children have finished developing before allowing them to take life changing decisions with their bodies.
It is not kidnapping it is removing children from a (potentially) harmful situation

@GeniUs
You realize repubs have legislation proposed that makes it illegal for girls to have short haircuts in one state? As short hair implies living like a boy. They want to outlaw girls wearing gender neutral clothes and anything that can be seen as support for trans youth. Hairdressers would be fined thousands of dollars 💸

There's more support for trans children than changing their bodies. Furthermore, you said above there's already limits on treating trans children and you want even more limits so what you're saying is that you just want to ignore who the children are, hoping they'll go away.

I'm sorry but you are absolutely ridiculous. If a girl who is trans wants to dress like a guy and get support like that, that's not harmful.

You cannot force kids to be a way you want them to be. It's not gonna happen at all.

@GeniUs Okay, first of all, don't tell gay people what they should be included in. The rest of the rainbow stands with the T in LGBT, and you can't stop us.

Secondly, you personally do not get to tell anybody, even a child, that they do not know what gender they are. You don't get to force your prejudices on anybody.

Thirdly, yes, by trying to force your BS on these trans kids, you are in fact trying to erase trans people.

@LordShadowfire This is a discussion about children wanting to be trans being removed from their families, nothing more ergo including gay people into the discussion is incorrect unless they want to talk about trans children and not any other issues.

No you are right I do not get to tell children they are not trans but I'm going to conservatively guess that at least 99% of medical experts who tell them they are not trans are right. No it's not a prejudice it is based on sound medical decisions made by experts.

It's not my or anybody else's BS it is sound medical decisions that children should not be allowed to make life affecting decisions at an age where they are unable to comprehend how this will affect their lives.
And no I nor anybody else is trying to eradicate trans people because when they are at age where they are mentally sound enough to make that decision they can.

Are you on the wind up? That's how daft you sound.

@SatanBurger I'm going to put a reasoned argument to you about the nonsense you are typing.
Can you just stick to relevant discussion, It's about kids being removed from families not fashion laws.
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I was as I'm sure you know talking about all things with a serious impact on a child's health, would you let a 12 year old get drunk because they want to try alcohol? Or drive because that looks cool? Whatever the answers to those questions there is no child is at an age where they should be making decisions that will artificially affect how they develop.

I have to ask the same question as the other guy, are you on the wind up?

@GeniUs

@LordShadowfire You resort to this nonsense because you cannot put together a reasoned or any other type of argument.

@GeniUs

@LordShadowfire And it's also assuming the worse. Anti trans people act like the adults are holding these kids hostage and strapping them down while forcefully making them get surgery. In reality, they don't know these families, they don't know their history, they don't know the care these kids are getting. They don't know nothing. They just assume the worse because they don't feel like it's natural so they assume that every parent is forcing it on them, the real issue is that anti trans people always assume that it's not natural. That's an issue because it just assumes the worse of the worse and it's factually incorrect.

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There was a drag kid who is a famous star who went on to do shows and the like. I remember the mom talking about how the kid was always like this, she never pushed anything on them. That's who they were as they got older. Instead of belittling the kid though, she supported them. Now the kid has a free ride to college because they do shows as an entertainer with a career that most people only dream about.

But again, these anti trans people just assume that kids aren't like that to begin with, to them, the parents are forcing it without even knowing anything. And the sad part is, they don't care. They just want it to go away.

@GeniUs
You are making the argument that being naturally trans gendered harms children's growth somehow did you not? You are assuming that direct care for a trans youth involves holding them down and forcing surgery upon them. You have no idea what kind of care is required because you don't know trans youth or their families. You're just talking to talk because you think you know despite not talking to any trans child.

That's why I mentioned the recent laws to fine hairdressers for giving children short hair as it's "gender affirming." You're assuming that people are abusing kids by forcing things upon them when in reality supporting trans youth means supporting their gender choices in other areas and not necessarily surgery.

There ARE limits that can be done for trans children and there's a level of care there that is between their doctors and the family.

All of this is necessary to understand the full picture or are you just going to repeat that they're somehow hurting a child's growth because you imagine the worst being done to them when you're wrong?


Being trans isn't the same as drinking, neither is being straight nor gay. Would you say being straight harms your health like drinking? No. Being trans doesn't harm mental health, what harms it is not living in the preferred gender, which ALL psychological associations say IS the correct way to deal with a society which tells trans people that they should feel bad and therefore develop things like depression or suicidal ideation.

You are NOT a professional, you do NOT know these people, you do NOT know their level of care. For someone who knows very little you sure just act like you got the full picture don't you? How embarrassing.

@SatanBurger Since you have lowered your sights from trans children to girls who wear jeans I'm going to accept that you've seen your mistake. Your argument so full of strawmen and asides you don't even want to talk about your own topic.

@GeniUs