GOP trying to make gay kids not exist by making a federal don't say gay law.

@Jackaloftheazuresand See I think the problem is that any piece of LGBT anything regarding children is more blown up than it needs to be. To cons, teaching about LGBT issues is like the apocalypse. The reality is probably a lot more boring.

They like to gaslight and overexaggerate claims because they're anti gay to begin with, so I just don't really trust their viewpoint of things as I think it's anti gay propaganda so your response entirely depends on whether you really want to believe that it is bad as they claim.

In the 1950s, they had home education classes where heterosexuality was taught everywhere and still is in some form. It's not uncommon to start prepping girls at a young age by weird straight white men for them to be married and asking about if they want to have children or not.

Meanwhile, sexual orientation is natural and so what good are teachers if they can't explain to children and make things a normal part of the growth development?

I'm also hyperbolic when it comes to heterosexuality, I honestly think all sexual orientation is okay even straight people but at the same time, straight people groom their kids all the time so the reaction of some cons with this isn't really proportionate to what's really going on.

@Jackaloftheazuresand Plus there's moral dilemmas, a lot of younger gay kids who want to talk about it but can't talk to their parents because their parents will either make them homeless or stick them into gay conversion therapy. The bill is kind of setting it up so kids can't really talk about it and is therefore endangering children who in a minority. These are about minority rights and nothing about the stupid spoiled little whore that is the majority.

@SatanBurger As far as I'm concerned all it takes is one example and I've seen just that.

I grew up with only the internet to guide me and I wasn't born in the loving arms of San Fran either so I find it hard to make concessions for others. Fully closeted for at least a decade and I don't feel like I missed out. Was there something I was supposed to do cuz I don't know. I hate to agree with idjit over there but what he said about what is natural is what I was getting at. I see no harm from silence but I do see harm in speaking. I never required the birds and the bees as well so it was a very silent home.

There will still be ways to work around that. Abuse in the home is very simply addressed without bringing up the subject and is probably the root problem to boot. I don't feel that any child will be so held back just because they had nobody to talk, let alone be in danger. The danger was already there, just as coming out and having a place to hasn't protected me from my own father.

@Jackaloftheazuresand There's religiously conservative families who aren't physically abusive but at the same time if you come out you run the risk of being homeless because they believe being gay is a "choice." There are just people who also believe in things like QAnon anti gay conspiracy theories and that if the kid was to come out gay, they'd freak out but may not physically harm their child otherwise. There's also just low IQ parents and also, parents who had their children young and whose brains stopped growing at a certain age so physically they may be 40 but mentally they could be 16.

I agree with you that "coming out won't stop abuse," that it didn't do you any good to come out and keeping it secret probably protected you. I do think it's wrong of your father to treat you that way which is my opinion but I also believe that just because being closeted hasn't hurt you because you are that way doesn't mean everyone else is. There would be no such thing as internalized homophobia if it didn't hurt someone along the way.

It's like the age old example of an anti gay politician who makes laws to oppress gay people but then is caught hiring gay hookers or even worse, killed one of them. One half of them is anti gay and the other half is gay, this creates sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde experience. This is an over exaggerated but true example of internalized homophobia but other kids can develop trauma that doesn't come out as healthy from not being allowed to ask questions or know who they are.

If we as adults are supposed to protect children from trauma, why would we make laws that further trauma then? Even if it doesn't stop abuse from home, you should still be allowed to explore who you are as a person because one day, you won't have your family and then what's left with the feelings of shame or guilt? Teachers should be allowed to talk to children who are questioning because of it, even if it is a minority.

With that said, there's multiple issues with the GOP doing what they're doing but the main issue is that the GOP's attitudes towards sexual orientation doesn't just stop with making laws against questioning children. This same attitude is found in countries like Poland where there's "no-gay zones" and where gay travelers had to make an underground map of safe areas to stroll through in Poland.

The first step of any oppression is to force people into nonexistence, the overall attitude is what I don't like because I see parallels with other countries. There's so many similarities, countries like Poland and America even have the same vocabulary and that's concerning.

@SatanBurger Verbal and emotional abuse may be discussed as well.

I'd say at that point the ball will be in the victim's court. I'm no stranger to the self loathing but it's up to themselves what they do with it. When we protect children we protect them from the influence of others. Feeling isolated because there is no authority on an identity is a self inflicted trauma and frankly, I'm not convinced such a child can even exist. In that way it's not a trauma that can be fixed from the outside There's so many negative influences that I think entirely accounts for any internalized hatred anyway. It wasn't the void that made them that way, it was the jerks who were also speaking where they should be silent. I want something to be done to combat that and not by taking up the opposing weapons to balance it out, because there is a tendency to overcorrect. Maybe this is what my parents did to get me, nobody should be talking to children about their sexuality. And I know those parents and guardians and whatever else will continue being that shouting cruel voice but I think we already have the best solution we are going to get on that and that goes back to the teacher's ability to still be someone the child can come to from a neutral approach and who the child can tell how they are being mistreated.

A lot of things will be a bridge too far. I won't let it go beyond that be assured.

@Jackaloftheazuresand I agree with a lot of things you say but I just think sexuality is apart of growing up. The gop is acting like this is being taught all the time or it's like some brainwashing and that's part of the problem, it isn't. They just want to erase and act like it doesn't happen which is similar to gaslighting or stonewalling.